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  • Canonical Posts 15 Mesa Patches To Support Mir

    Phoronix: Canonical Posts 15 Mesa Patches To Support Mir

    Canonical is back to trying to get upstream Mesa/Gallium3D to support their Mir Display Server. In their current form, the support comes across 15 patches for bringing up the Mir EGL platform...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQxNTc

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    I hope the Mesa team rejects the patches.

    Canonical gave a big fuck you to the Linux community for going with their own inhouse display server which causes fragmentation.

    Mesa should give a big fuck you to Canonical by rejecting their Mir patches.


    Sorry Canonical, but Wayland is the future.

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    • #3
      I think they'll accept the patches, i don't know why. Call it a sensation.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by synaptix View Post
        I hope the Mesa team rejects the patches.

        Canonical gave a big fuck you to the Linux community for going with their own inhouse display server which causes fragmentation.

        Mesa should give a big fuck you to Canonical by rejecting their Mir patches.


        Sorry Canonical, but Wayland is the future.
        Whatever happened to Linux being about choice? If a company wants to create their own display server, what's wrong with that? We should start putting restrictions on what display server you can use in Linux? That surely sounds pretty restrictive.

        Mir and Wayland are both the future.

        Should we start hating on Google now for not using Xorg or Wayland for Android and instead making their own?
        Last edited by Britoid; 07-20-2013, 09:46 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by synaptix View Post
          Canonical gave a big fuck you to the Linux community for going with their own inhouse display server which causes fragmentation..
          While it's true, that Canonical started all this, the same could be said vice versa about the Linux Community ever since Ubuntu started. If we really get fragmentation it's the fault of both not being able to work with each other, but instead blaming and rejecting (although most of the blame and rejections don't come from Canonical).

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          • #6
            Originally posted by synaptix View Post
            I hope the Mesa team rejects the patches.

            Canonical gave a big fuck you to the Linux community for going with their own inhouse display server which causes fragmentation.

            Mesa should give a big fuck you to Canonical by rejecting their Mir patches.


            Sorry Canonical, but Wayland is the future.
            Their choices don't effect you in the slightest, so why all the vitriol?

            And you should stop the swearing, this is a SFW forum after all.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by alexThunder View Post
              While it's true, that Canonical started all this, the same could be said vice versa about the Linux Community ever since Ubuntu started. If we really get fragmentation it's the fault of both not being able to work with each other, but instead blaming and rejecting (although most of the blame and rejections don't come from Canonical).
              The problem is Canonical does not communicate with the community and its only getting worse they stated at the end of last year they will no longer dicuss future projects publicly.
              The reason people are so mad at Canonical about Mir is they said they were going to use Wayland then started development of Mir behind closed doors and then suddenly announced it while saying they needed to use it because Wayland couldnt do certain things, however not once did they talk to the Wayland devs about these missing futures and as it turns out they were not missing at all.

              So not I dont think the same could be said about the Linux community. Canonical has no interest working with others, just look at how much they contribute to upstream projects diddly squat.

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              • #8
                As an active radeon developer my first question is why the heck they want to change our kernel driver?

                The command submission and buffer sharing interfaces are quite well defined and work perfectly for both X and Wayland.

                Well we will probably see,
                Christian.

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                • #9
                  Android is developed behind closed doors too...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by timothyja View Post
                    The problem is Canonical does not communicate with the community and its only getting worse they stated at the end of last year they will no longer dicuss future projects publicly.
                    The reason people are so mad at Canonical about Mir is they said they were going to use Wayland then started development of Mir behind closed doors and then suddenly announced it while saying they needed to use it because Wayland couldnt do certain things, however not once did they talk to the Wayland devs about these missing futures and as it turns out they were not missing at all.

                    So not I dont think the same could be said about the Linux community. Canonical has no interest working with others, just look at how much they contribute to upstream projects diddly squat.
                    Canonical say to upstream you will do are bidding upstream Say's LOL you dont pay us

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by johnc View Post
                      Android is developed behind closed doors too...
                      i 100% hated Android its part of why we have 32bit in 2013 IOS helped too

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by synaptix View Post
                        I hope the Mesa team rejects the patches.

                        Canonical gave a big fuck you to the Linux community for going with their own inhouse display server which causes fragmentation.

                        Mesa should give a big fuck you to Canonical by rejecting their Mir patches.


                        Sorry Canonical, but Wayland is the future.
                        This

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                        • #13
                          It would be fictitious to pretend that Canonical and Ubuntu are being pushed away by the upstream community. Regardless of the attitude or communication skills, making a new display server complicates things, especially when so many people are introduced to Linux through Ubuntu. So if people prefer, even if only by popularity, something that may only work well on Ubuntu, the rest of us suffer, so it does affect us.

                          Sure, we will go on using whatever software we deem suitable, and it probably won't be a big deal. But it's just not quite as necessary as Canonical has made it out to be- Wayland is more than flexible enough to run a pared down interface like a phone, and to blend seamlessly between screen sizes. Canonical anticipated that it wouldn't be easy enough to work with the Xorg community on Wayland, so they just forgot to ask.

                          Of course, if it weren't Canonical, people wouldn't be blowing it so far out of proportion. These things happen, just like with Unity, and it didn't really hurt anyone else. The upstream communities will continue to maintain their direction, and Canonical may occasionally have to patch everything to death. They and their community have the willpower and the vision, so I wish them luck.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Britoid View Post
                            Whatever happened to Linux being about choice? If a company wants to create their own display server, what's wrong with that? We should start putting restrictions on what display server you can use in Linux? That surely sounds pretty restrictive.

                            Mir and Wayland are both the future.

                            Should we start hating on Google now for not using Xorg or Wayland for Android and instead making their own?
                            Linux is about choice, nothing is stopping them from writing their display server. The only thing canonical is not getting is support from the community. What they are trying to do is get rid of the maintenance burden of their mesa patches.
                            We are not hating android, however we do call Android 'Android' and not (GNU/)Linux which ubuntu still does markets itself as. There lies the major problem.

                            Serafean

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by timothyja View Post
                              The problem is Canonical does not communicate with the community and its only getting worse they stated at the end of last year they will no longer dicuss future projects publicly.
                              The reason people are so mad at Canonical about Mir is they said they were going to use Wayland then started development of Mir behind closed doors and then suddenly announced it while saying they needed to use it because Wayland couldnt do certain things, however not once did they talk to the Wayland devs about these missing futures and as it turns out they were not missing at all.
                              Yes, that's what I meant, when I said that Canonical started all this. That's not only true for Mir. My point is, that we'd benefit from Canonical being tamed by the Linux Community instead of being ignored (or even fought). The latter is, what may actually lead to fragmentation. From a moral or ethical perspective, the Linux Community may be on the better site, but that alone won't help anyone, if it'll be Ubuntu where the party is at. But maybe Canonical will eventually fail and things will calm down again - but than, I'm afraid, Linux will develop backwards into a niche and we'll again need to rely on Apple or Microsoft, if we want to do anything more than compiling our own kernels.

                              Originally posted by timothyja View Post
                              So not I dont think the same could be said about the Linux community. Canonical has no interest working with others, just look at how much they contribute to upstream projects diddly squat.
                              After getting rejected pretty much everytime they did something, this isn't a huge surprise.

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