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  • #31
    Originally posted by Vim_User View Post
    If we do not correct his wrong statements some people may believe that he is actually right.
    Doubt thatů

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
      Doubt thatů
      Never doubt the amount of stupidity people let their children get away with. I guess some people are just selfish and don't care about the gene pool...

      After all, bo$$ is still alive.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
        You can laugh all you want. Mir is coming in Ubuntu 13.10, the most popular Linux desktop. Wayland comes to Rebecca Linux yay....
        How many times did your mom drop you on your head when you were a babby?

        I don't know which option is worse - that you're actually stupid enough to believe the crap you spout, or you think you're being a clever troll with this material...

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        • #34
          Even while running the desktop environment on XMir it still could provide real value for the user by running Mir as a system compsitor
          (requires LightDM to be fully working on pure Mir)
          Seamless Login without flickering, jumps and shit.
          The greater as lockscreen.
          Flicker free shutdown.

          I don't know if it will be run as this on 13.10 but pleas don't say that XMir on Mir is worthless for the user.
          True you are missing a lot of things that Mir/Wayland could do better but it's far from worthless.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Pajn View Post
            Even while running the desktop environment on XMir it still could provide real value for the user by running Mir as a system compsitor
            (requires LightDM to be fully working on pure Mir)
            Seamless Login without flickering, jumps and shit.
            The greater as lockscreen.
            Flicker free shutdown.

            I don't know if it will be run as this on 13.10 but pleas don't say that XMir on Mir is worthless for the user.
            True you are missing a lot of things that Mir/Wayland could do better but it's far from worthless.
            XMir can't handle none of that neither is designed for it and Xserver is the one doing the job not Mir and Mir is not a system compositor is a session compositor and yes is 100% worthless for the user

            bootup and shutdown process are independant of Mir or Wayland and will be handled by a system compositor[read is a security kernel side police not a global compiz] later maybe for kernel 3.13 since render nodes and other patches need to reach upstream first.

            Mir is in the start line, for now is a glorified page flipper with a very long list of TODO, wait until at least reach 50% of that TODO list to see if it worth the lost of time

            please don't imply things out of your ass without investigate first, bo$$ is enough for uneducated posts

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Pajn View Post
              (requires LightDM to be fully working on pure Mir)
              I'm pretty sure that the idea from Canonical is that when they have Unity 8 ready and fully working with Mir, they could still support other desktop environments that are still running under X and don't offer native support for Mir.

              So the better they get XMir working the better they can support other DE when Unity 8 is ready

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              • #37
                Originally posted by TheOne View Post
                I'm pretty sure that the idea from Canonical is that when they have Unity 8 ready and fully working with Mir, they could still support other desktop environments that are still running under X and don't offer native support for Mir.

                So the better they get XMir working the better they can support other DE when Unity 8 is ready
                by the time Mir see an proper release KDE SC, Gnome, EFL, LXDE, etc will be wayland native with only X support for fallback and since Mir/Wayland don't seem to get propietary support for now i really fail to see the point of making a Fullscreen session Xserver run atop of a page flipper for this since whatever the case you have to switch back to native Xorg.

                beyond that most DE reported issue running a top XMir that won't be fixed upstream, which lead to the basic question, why XMir now??

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by jrch2k8 View Post
                  by the time Mir see an proper release KDE SC, Gnome, EFL, LXDE, etc will be wayland native with only X support for fallback and since Mir/Wayland don't seem to get propietary support for now i really fail to see the point of making a Fullscreen session Xserver run atop of a page flipper for this since whatever the case you have to switch back to native Xorg.

                  beyond that most DE reported issue running a top XMir that won't be fixed upstream, which lead to the basic question, why XMir now??
                  This is a really good point

                  Originally posted by TheOne View Post
                  I'm pretty sure that the idea from Canonical is that when they have Unity 8 ready and fully working with Mir, they could still support other desktop environments that are still running under X and don't offer native support for Mir.

                  So the better they get XMir working the better they can support other DE when Unity 8 is ready

                  there is 100% no point of using Xmir, Xorg is faster, Xorg has better power management, Xmir is rooted just like Xorg, and to top that off Canonical can't even make Xmir run on the Nvidia or AMD OpenSource Driver's and, this Mir is just Vaporware as user's can only see and use Xmir any ways

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                    So if there is no point of Xmir then why do Canonical keep pushing it? Could there be something that you don't know?
                    Canonical is just Forcing Beta Tester's, this is going to end up bad for Linux, as many will go back to Window's or, Mac and, also Developers will go back to Windows, or Mac,

                    as a lot of Main Line Developers do not like Change in Code/API's and this is why Window's has been doing so well for so many year's

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by jrch2k8 View Post
                      by the time Mir see an proper release KDE SC, Gnome, EFL, LXDE, etc will be wayland native with only X support for fallback and since Mir/Wayland don't seem to get propietary support for now i really fail to see the point of making a Fullscreen session Xserver run atop of a page flipper for this since whatever the case you have to switch back to native Xorg.
                      Who gives a fuck
                      The thread is about Xmir performance not about how much better and production ready you believe wayland is.
                      It would be nice if the trolling Canonical crew would stop derailing every single Ubuntu related thread.Surely you have made your point you prefer wayland. It would be even nicer if the generalisations made that every ubuntu user, community and Canonical developers, are complete morons..... stopped!!

                      It's a shame your writing style doesn't reflect the 133t genius Gentoo tard you proclaim to be.


                      beyond that most DE reported issue running a top XMir that won't be fixed upstream, which lead to the basic question, why XMir now??
                      are you really this stupid? the unity 7/8 mir road map is pretty clear.
                      Step 1 unity 7 running on xmir for 13.10 ( of course their are still some things that need to be fixed)
                      Step 2 unity 8 lands sometime between 13.10 and 14.04 with native mir support so if users/developers wish it can be tested before hitting 14.04 .

                      Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
                      Canonical is just Forcing Beta Tester's, this is going to end up bad for Linux, as many will go back to Window's or, Mac and, also Developers will go back to Windows, or Mac,

                      as a lot of Main Line Developers do not like Change in Code/API's and this is why Window's has been doing so well for so many year's
                      I nominate you as one the lamest canonical trolls Phoronix has ever seen.
                      Last edited by DDF420; 07-16-2013, 09:06 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by DDF420 View Post
                        are you really this stupid? the unity 7/8 mir road map is pretty clear.
                        Step 1 unity 7 running on xmir for 13.10 ( of course their are still some things that need to be fixed)
                        Step 2 unity 8 lands sometime between 13.10 and 14.04 with native mir support so if users/developers wish it can be tested before hitting 14.04 .
                        Actually you are right, the Unity/Mir roadmap is pretty clear. Maybe you should read it. Unity 8 will land in 14.10.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by DDF420 View Post
                          Who gives a fuck
                          The thread is about Xmir performance not about how much better and production ready you believe wayland is.
                          It would be nice if the trolling Canonical crew would stop derailing every single Ubuntu related thread.Surely you have made your point you prefer wayland. It would be even nicer if the generalisations made that every ubuntu user, community and Canonical developers, are complete morons..... stopped!!

                          It's a shame your writing style doesn't reflect the 133t genius Gentoo tard you proclaim to be.

                          are you really this stupid? the unity 7/8 mir road map is pretty clear.
                          Step 1 unity 7 running on xmir for 13.10 ( of course their are still some things that need to be fixed)
                          Step 2 unity 8 lands sometime between 13.10 and 14.04 with native mir support so if users/developers wish it can be tested before hitting 14.04 .

                          I nominate you as one the lamest canonical trolls Phoronix has ever seen.
                          unity 8 was Said to be in Ubuntu 14.10 some one was saying that they was going to try for 14.04

                          https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ub...ne/037401.html

                          do you remember what happened when Canonical Released unity on to Ubuntu, that was a real shame so many users Dropped Linux for Mac, or Windows, the only good part was the Linux Mint's User based jumped as well

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
                            do you remember what happened when Canonical Released unity on to Ubuntu, that was a real shame so many users Dropped Linux for Mac, or Windows, the only good part was the Linux Mint's User based jumped as well
                            I doubt very much a lot went back to Windows. Linux Mint on the other hand, massive explosion of refugees came pouring in. I lurk around on LM forum as well and when Unity hit Ubuntu, pretty much the first few pages of LM forum introduction section was filled with Ubuntu refugees.

                            That was then, this is now. Unity has matured and isn't the sloppy slow pile of goo that it once was, it's actually quite fast now (checked out Ubuntu 13.10 Alpha 1 with Unity for a bit).

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Vim_User View Post
                              Actually you are right, the Unity/Mir roadmap is pretty clear. Maybe you should read it. Unity 8 will land in 14.10.
                              Indeed: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ub...ne/037401.html

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by TheOne View Post
                                I'm pretty sure that the idea from Canonical is that when they have Unity 8 ready and fully working with Mir, they could still support other desktop environments that are still running under X and don't offer native support for Mir.

                                So the better they get XMir working the better they can support other DE when Unity 8 is ready
                                I think this will actually hurt other desktop environments. People who don't know better will think KDE sucks compared to Unity because it is slow and can't resize windows properly. And they will wonder why it can't even run a lot of applications.(native Mir applications)

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