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  • Canonical Puts Out Mir 0.0.6 Release For Ubuntu

    Phoronix: Canonical Puts Out Mir 0.0.6 Release For Ubuntu

    For those living on the bleeding edge Ubuntu 13.10 developments, Mir 0.0.6 has been tagged...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQwNTg

  • #2
    Wonder if they fixed the XMir performance issues when running a DE in fullscreen mode

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    • #3
      Does any one know how Mir is going to handle multi-monitor, is there going to be a per monitor surface like with Wayland or one big (and limiting) surface like with X? Also any words on remote Mir?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by AJenbo View Post
        Does any one know how Mir is going to handle multi-monitor, is there going to be a per monitor surface like with Wayland or one big (and limiting) surface like with X? Also any words on remote Mir?
        They had an official press release recently that they were working on support. Multimonitor on XMir aleady works.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
          Faster
          No native Mir applications out there, so XMir is used for everything (even compositing). That means it's slower than pure X.
          better
          Cause there's no native WM for Mir you can't run Mir applications (that doesn't even exist) on it. So all you are able to run are X apps. And don't forget driver support: Neither the nvidia blob nor fglrx support Mir atm.
          earlier
          Than what? I see a slower, buggier X here. So a bit late. :P

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
            It will be native, amd and nvidia will support it don't you worry. And before Wayland. Maybe not with 13.10 but with 14.04 which is still faster than anything wayland. They take their time with making it perfect.... haha.

            If the guys working on wayland are the guys that worked on X.org than sure as hell they shouldn't be allowed to touch anything related to coding anymore. Right now I'm on Windows 7 and the UI is so much better than anything that can be provided by X. And you cling to the idea that they will get it right this time. They haven't got it right in 20 years for christ sake. Let somebody else do the job, hopefully properly this time.
            That is really not a fair comparison, for one think they have had to work within the constraints of a 20 old design, but also X.org is a fork of xfree86, and since then there have been huge improvements, so the current developer group is not a bad one. They started Wayland because they them self recognized that X is a dead end.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
              Wayland guys lost so much time and moving so slow it will take another 5 years before they come up with anything.
              Both Unity and Gnome have the same timeline for Wayland/Mir support (experimental by fall 2013, default by spring 2014). However before that Enlightement 18 will be released with fairly complete Wayland support apparently later this month. Weston is already somewhat usable. KDE will support Wayland with KDE Plasma Workspaces 2.0 that will be released next year. So yeah, it won't take five years and will probably be usable before Mir... in any case the difference is only matter of months.

              Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
              Which is why I support Canonical.
              Why would you even need pick any sides?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Teho View Post
                Why would you even need pick any sides?
                Because there isn't any Apple-like organization to worship in Linux Ecosystem. So they choose to blindly accept anything from such company while we're the bad guys who are going to criticise and flame their every step. - I feel like a villain. I'm going back to destroying the whole world. Who knows, maybe they're going to make our comics someday.

                But reality: We're going to test Mir, like we're monitorizing Wayland. We're going to pick whatever suits us best. - And I'm not going to be an idiot fanatic of a particular Distribution. I haven't lost my mind yet.
                Last edited by reznov; 07-09-2013, 09:16 AM.

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                • #9
                  Why do you even respond to BO$$'s posts?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                    Because of the fragmentation that is killing the linux platform. GTK Qt and others aren't doing any favors. Now there will also be Wayland and Mir. Just perfect. Windows has Win32 and that is all. You deal with it and make everything look consistent. Linux is just too fragmented. A company should come and standardize one of those and achieve real market penetration. Then everybody will be more or less forced to support it if they want to be popular => less fragmentation => less annoyance and inconsistency. Unity and now Mir are a step in the right direction. If Canonical also manages to get Ubuntu preinstalled on a lot of PCs the future looks good.
                    The problem is that display managers are much more critical, noboby care if app X uses an other toolkit.
                    The problem is that games and such stuff will directly use them.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                      Because of the fragmentation that is killing the linux platform. GTK Qt and others aren't doing any favors. Now there will also be Wayland and Mir. Just perfect. Windows has Win32 and that is all. You deal with it and make everything look consistent. Linux is just too fragmented. A company should come and standardize one of those and achieve real market penetration. Then everybody will be more or less forced to support it if they want to be popular => less fragmentation => less annoyance and inconsistency. Unity and now Mir are a step in the right direction. If Canonical also manages to get Ubuntu preinstalled on a lot of PCs the future looks good.
                      Win32 is not the only API on Windows.

                      Excatly what part of the fragmentation did Unity solve?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                        DEs. Too many DEs. People need at least a sane default. Gnome 3 is always changing and extensions don't work from one version to the next. KDE could be good if it didn't look as it does. People don't seem to like the colours chosen, effects etc. Unity for both desktops and mobile seems to work.
                        Unity is just one more DE in that pile, as for constant changing it really annoys me how Canonical keep changing the auto hide behavior. If it gets successful on the mobile platforms that might be a good thing for commonality, but most apps aren't usable on both platforms any way. And it does just as much to fracture the desktop. All you are gaining is a coherent Ubuntu system, witch it already was, but now it's also differs from other Linux systems.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                          Because of the fragmentation that is killing the linux platform. GTK Qt and others aren't doing any favors. Now there will also be Wayland and Mir. Just perfect. Windows has Win32 and that is all. You deal with it and make everything look consistent. Linux is just too fragmented. A company should come and standardize one of those and achieve real market penetration. Then everybody will be more or less forced to support it if they want to be popular => less fragmentation => less annoyance and inconsistency. Unity and now Mir are a step in the right direction. If Canonical also manages to get Ubuntu preinstalled on a lot of PCs the future looks good.
                          This doesn't make any sense at all, as usual with your posts.

                          Situation: We have one display server running on desktops and similar devices (X), one that runs on Android devices (SurfaceFlinger). Since the old display server named X is not really a good solution anymore for modern machines Wayland is developed, being able to run on all form factors, which actually prevents future fragmentation.
                          Canonical steps in: Hey, look, we will fork that Wayland thingy, because it totally does what we want, but we want to have control over it. We won't admit that and invent bogus technical reasons and we will actively fragment the display server landscape, but we don't care.
                          BO$$: Hey, they are doing it to prevent fragmentation and to standardize the display server landscape.

                          Hey, you know what? If you want an OS where you are forced to do things in a specific way, why coming to Linux? Why not just go to OS X or Windows?

                          The goold old XKCD applies again: http://xkcd.com/927/

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                          • #14
                            Demagogy. Like a BO$$.

                            If fragmentation was the main problem that these arrogant project leaders (and their pathetic fanatics) wanted to solve, they would've support Wayland to take a simple step to unite the whole ecosystem. (which was the idea at the first place) - Then, if there was something they would like to add, they simply could use Wayland branch and create a modified version of their own to get it ready for Consumer use.

                            But fragmentation isn't the problem. Because nobody's trying to bare their own neck. Monopolism is the main deal. And it's going that way. - Next demagogy we're going to witness will be "There's nothing wrong with a company trying to make profit bla bla" Yeah, nothing's wrong with that as we all agree. But if that company is trying to feed on our ecosystem and trying to become an Apple/Microsoft hybrid, (like *some* other companies in this ecosystem) then there's a problem.

                            No damn project is trying to unite anything in this ecosystem. It's simply corrupted.
                            Last edited by reznov; 07-09-2013, 01:24 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                              This argument that windows forces you to do things in a specific way is so bullshit. In fact I use both and in no way is windows limiting me to do stuff my way. You can argue that there are some things for which there is no way to set from the terminal but fuck it, it's 2013, this is no argument. And Linux is pretty limiting itself, so many issues all the time, everything changing constantly and have to work around issues. Is this not limiting? Hunting for solutions all the time on the net? Linux also doesn't have the same applications that windows has. How is this not limiting? A lot of applications that work on linux work on windows also, but not the other way around.

                              So please stop with the bullshit argument that linux frees you while windows limits you, or forces you to do things a specific way. The windows ecosystem is so much more diverse than any linux fanatic will ever dream of.

                              They added powershell in windows 7 with SP1 so yeah, the console is pretty good now compared to old cmd.exe. So even the argument that linux has a better terminal is pretty much dead.
                              well i seriously doubt you can reach the technical needs to actually expose those issue that make windows a real headache compared to linux to begin with and ofc your facebook page or l4d2 or check gmail will work in any OS just fine and yes linux has much better terminal but you won't understand me why even if i try to explain it but yeah if wanna run commands and some script both do pretty much the same against that is a nobrainer.

                              about you previous posts as always "bla bla bla is ovbious i can't even read C without getting an stroke bla bla never read a mailing list or investigate facts in my life bla bla bla" nothing new

                              btw i have strong suspicious mike will give a nasty surprise to mark in the next months when they announce the steamBox

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