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  • #46
    Originally posted by seb24 View Post
    As I understand no (in the case of the Canonical CLA) :

    "As a condition on the exercise of this right, We agree to also
    license the Contribution under the terms of the license or
    licenses which We are using for the Material on the
    Submission Date."

    I understand that can do some sub-licence but always licence in the original licence too.
    Yes thats the important bit alright. Read it again and think about it for a minute. Your contribution will be available under the GPL so for example if you contribute to version 1 of Mir your contribution WILL be licenced under the GPL for version 1 of Mir.
    However the key part is "We agree to ALSO license the Contribution" they DO NOT say it will ONLY be licensed under that licence. So they can create any number of forks under different licences and still conform to their agreement because your contribution is licenced under the GPL in version 1. They have every right to licence Version 2 under a closed licence only.

    If you are interested the highest profile case I can think of this type of thing happening is with Open Office (originally under GPL). Sun used to have a similair agreement for Open Office contributions. Sun changed the licence so that it could licence the code to IBM under a closed source arrangement and when Oracle took over this is how they were able to relicence it to an apache licence and donate it to the apache project. Anyway thats why LibreOffice is GPL and OpenOffice is now Apache.
    Last edited by timothyja; 06-28-2013, 11:34 AM.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
      So in order to make sure they get it right we will probably have Wayland ready somewhere around 2050. Or 2100 to get it REAALLY right.
      They got it right. already

      That's why the Mir people simply copied all of it


      One word: freedom. Because they can. They can fork the whole kernel and create their own modified version and then create the coolest marketing campaign on Earth and wipe the floor with all the other distros.
      Google already did that, and were successful with their Linux-but-not-Linux operating system.

      And just like this Mir stuff, it had essentially zero impact on desktop Linux. Private walled gardens are like that, they don't mix with the free software ecosystem.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
        So in order to make sure they get it right we will probably have Wayland ready somewhere around 2050. Or 2100 to get it REAALLY right.
        No, Fedora 20 will run Wayland. 21 will have it on by default. Your willing ignorance and reality distortion is stunning. But I guess that's necessary to be admitted to the shuttleworthian cult...

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        • #49
          Originally posted by timothyja View Post
          Yes thats the important bit alright. Read it again and think about it for a minute. Your contribution will always be available under the GPL so for example if you contribute to version 1 of Mir your contribution WILL be licenced under the GPL for version 1 of Mir.
          However the key part is "We agree to also license the Contribution" they DO NOT say it will ONLY be licensed under that licence. So they can create any number of forks under different licences and still conform to their agreement because your contribution is licenced under the GPL in version 1. They have every right to licence Version 2 under a closed licence only.
          No "version" history here.
          If your "contribution" is in the Version 2 they have the obligation to publish it in the original licence + other sub-licence.

          Originally posted by timothyja View Post
          If you are interested the highest profile case I can think of this type of thing happening is with Open Office (originally under GPL). Sun used to have a similair agreement for Open Office contributions. Sun changed the licence so that it could licence the code to IBM under a closed source arrangement and when Oracle took over this is how they were able to relicence it to an apache licence and donate it to the apache project. Anyway thats why LibreOffice is GPL and OpenOffice is now Apache.
          You speak about other type of CLA. Each one is different. And in this case Libre Office still have the right of the GPL licence. But is another history.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by dee. View Post
            No, Fedora 20 will run Wayland. 21 will have it on by default. Your willing ignorance and reality distortion is stunning. But I guess that's necessary to be admitted to the shuttleworthian cult...
            yeah he lives in an alternate universe or something, i guess mark religion requires you separate yourself from any form of reason or reality that isn't sanctioned by mark

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            • #51
              Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
              Still early days. Mir is the future so it can only get better.
              Most Software runs good FPS in it's early days do to it now being as heavy as it will become down the road

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              • #52
                Originally posted by dee. View Post
                No, Fedora 20 will run Wayland. 21 will have it on by default. Your willing ignorance and reality distortion is stunning. But I guess that's necessary to be admitted to the shuttleworthian cult...
                Granted you have every right to not agree with people but are you really this much of a cunt in real life? Cults, reality distortion, etc...post after post after post. Do you really have no idea how to approach people you disagree with in mature way? Any good points you make are probably just ignored since they're so deeply buried in dickish rhetoric. Just take the high road once in a while.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                  It's been 95% done for a couple of years now. That Weston genius from what I heard had trouble with the minimize button. As in they didn't have it. Brilliant reference implementation. Everything in Wayland is a sad joke and free software hipsters won't see it because they think Canonical == Evil while Wayland == Good. Mir is already the future. And it's already here. Wake up people!
                  for real how you graduated from college, by now even my dog understand that weston is basically an example for developers[actual smart ppl category that you don't qualify] it was never ever meant for use at all under no circumstance imagineable in this or any other parallel universe, if you wanna see wayland + minimize compile gnome git[assuming it won't give you an stroke have to do all that smart thingies like git clone], you wanna see videos? git clone gstreamer and/or mplayer[yes vdpau works peachy], if you want color accurate rendering is available in gnome git too.

                  like i said before wayland unlike mir is done by real professionals not a code leech PR team, they don't demo they port and get things done right but i guess for ppl of your intellectual level PR is more effective but the sad truth is wayland will have native working full desktops even before canonical wonderboys can get Qt5 to actually work right in Mir[basically only their demos work every other try to render anything else just fails] in 14.04

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Tgui View Post
                    Granted you have every right to not agree with people but are you really this much of a cunt in real life? Cults, reality distortion, etc...post after post after post. Do you really have no idea how to approach people you disagree with in mature way? Any good points you make are probably just ignored since they're so deeply buried in dickish rhetoric. Just take the high road once in a while.
                    Yes ignore this guy. We need an option in the forum to hide some user messages.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by seb24 View Post
                      Yes ignore this guy. We need an option in the forum to hide some user messages.
                      Meh, he's passionate and seems to have good points once in a while. It's just hard to filter through the cruft. He's not the only example of angry nerd here

                      There is an ignore option but I hate to use it.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                        Fedora 20? That OS for the masses that will bring desktop dominance for Linux? Wait. Shit. No. Fedora is basically and experimental branch where they test new things in the wild for the first time, probably to improve next version of RHEL. Anyway still too late for them. Ubuntu will have it for the next version in October. And Ubuntu is for the masses. So people will be exposed to Mir first. Why is it so hard to admit that Canonical basically wiped the floor with your beloved Wayland? Started later, finished sooner. That is what a successful project looks like.
                        ppl in your level[the masses] don't give a rat ass if mir or wayland is used and yes ofc ubuntu is the OS of the massive masses, that uber under 1% market share OMG how i didn't see it, you Sir changed my life

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                          Fedora 20? That OS for the masses that will bring desktop dominance for Linux? Wait. Shit. No. Fedora is basically and experimental branch where they test new things in the wild for the first time, probably to improve next version of RHEL. Anyway still too late for them. Ubuntu will have it for the next version in October. And Ubuntu is for the masses. So people will be exposed to Mir first. Why is it so hard to admit that Canonical basically wiped the floor with your beloved Wayland? Started later, finished sooner. That is what a successful project looks like.
                          Stop fighting... The both project are free software with different objective. We should be happy to have a dynamic eco-system. that's it.
                          And we will see in the future how the 2 project will evolves.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                            I'm curious about performance. Native Wayland and native Mir application. Games especially.
                            since wayland let you manage the GPU directly if the code is properly done it should have room to be faster but with mir since is a server and it handle allocations server side should be easier to write but have a small penalty[too early to say how much]

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                            • #59
                              I have a big query.

                              If Canonical just copy/pasted the XWayland code to make XMir then every person saying that XWayland will be faster that plain X is utterly wrong. We haven't seen any benchmarks regarding XWayland/Wayland, so if XMir is really a copy/paste effort Wayland should be similarly on the same shape.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by jrch2k8 View Post
                                since wayland let you manage the GPU directly if the code is properly done it should have room to be faster but with mir since is a server and it handle allocations server side should be easier to write but have a small penalty[too early to say how much]
                                No Mir will win :
                                http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...land&word2=mir

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