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    Phoronix: Mir 0.0.5 Released; Kubuntu Will Stick To X/Wayland

    More Mir news today besides the surprise announcement that Canonical is now planning to use the Mir Display Server by default in Ubuntu 13.10, there's some other interesting news involving Mir benchmarking, the Mir 0.0.5 release, and Kubuntu avoiding Mir/XMir and reaffirming their commitment to X.Org and Wayland...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTM5NzQ

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    lol, every new entry posted on the site has suddenly become fun to read and watch , keep em coming!

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    • #3
      XMir is the Xsever we have now basically. If a user wanted to install the KDE environment on XMir, it would still be possible right? I don't see why not.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
        XMir is the Xsever we have now basically. If a user wanted to install the KDE environment on XMir, it would still be possible right? I don't see why not.
        Here a video showing kde, gnome, XFCE, lxde running on xmir:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h0m-ZjPxe8

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        • #5
          Kbuntu is going to be the best out of them all Mir free

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          • #6
            Originally posted by spacetoilet View Post
            Kbuntu is going to be the best out of them all Mir free
            I'm going to install Kubuntu on XMir. Where's your god now.

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            • #7
              Might first want to read what the Kubuntu dev says about that

              There's been a few posts of Kubuntu on XMir and other flavours too. That's nice to see but compositing is very fragile, even Ubuntu shipping the latest Mesa can increase the number of beasties the poor KWin developers have to handle with because of unexpected issues it creates. Putting another layer between KWin and your monitor is certain to create new issues so I'll be keeping anything to do with Mir off the Kubuntu images.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dee. View Post
                Might first want to read what the Kubuntu dev says about that
                Sounds like complete nonsense since XMir can be seen as another implementation of X

                Kwin actually uses X to do rendering. XMir replaces original X libraries so Kwin will transparently see XMir as X without a layer in between

                Basicallay we have this now:

                X -> Kwin -> Desktop environment

                that translated to XMir doesn't adds an extra layer just a different implementation

                XMir -> Kwin -> Desktop environment

                It seems that KDE developer is in complete negation

                Another way of putting it

                x.so -> kwin.so -> applications == xmir.so -> kwin.so -> applications
                Last edited by TheOne; 06-27-2013, 03:34 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TheOne View Post
                  Sounds like complete nonsense since XMir can be seen as another implementation of X

                  Kwin actually uses X to do rendering. XMir replaces original X libraries so Kwin will transparently see XMir as X without a layer in between

                  Basicallay we have this now:

                  X -> Kwin -> Desktop environment

                  that translated to XMir doesn't adds an extra layer just a different implementation

                  XMir -> Kwin -> Desktop environment

                  It seems that KDE developer is in complete negation
                  it was a Kbunutu Developer....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TheOne View Post
                    Sounds like complete nonsense since XMir can be seen as another implementation of X
                    No it is not. XMir is a backend for X.org. It exactly the same implementation. The X.org server is then a client for Mir.

                    Originally posted by TheOne View Post
                    Kwin actually uses X to do rendering. XMir replaces original X libraries so Kwin will transparently see XMir as X without a layer in between
                    It uses the exactly same libaries. It's just a different backend.

                    Originally posted by TheOne View Post
                    that translated to XMir doesn't adds an extra layer just a different implementation
                    It does add another layer; Mir itself. It will goes like this:

                    KWin -> X.org -> "Hardware"
                    to
                    KWin -> X.org/XMir -> Mir -> "Hardware"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Teho View Post
                      No it is not. XMir is a backend for X.org. It exactly the same implementation. The X.org server is then a client for Mir.

                      It uses the exactly same libaries. It's just a different backend.

                      It does add another layer; Mir itself. It will goes like this:

                      KWin -> X.org -> "Hardware"
                      to
                      KWin -> X.org/XMir -> Mir -> "Hardware"
                      mmm, I see, then I guess we are left with some really needed benchmarks to see how much this affects the performance.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Teho View Post
                        KWin -> X.org/XMir -> Mir -> "Hardware"
                        Don't forget that Mir is totally unneeded here as XMir does all the compositing. All Mir does is receiving the rendered image from XMir and printing it on the screen (like a full screen window). So in fact X is doing all the work here and Mir is just a unneeded layer.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TAXI View Post
                          Don't forget that Mir is totally unneeded here as XMir does all the compositing. All Mir does is receiving the rendered image from XMir and printing it on the screen (like a full screen window). So in fact X is doing all the work here and Mir is just a unneeded layer.
                          So thats the same method used on XWayland?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
                            I'm going to install Kubuntu on XMir. Where's your god now.
                            I think "He" is probably smiling thinking at what happens when you resize an Xmir window.
                            Didn't you ask yourself why in that youtube video the windows are never resized ?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TheOne View Post
                              So thats the same method used on XWayland?
                              Yes. The idea is to run only specific apps with XWayland/XMir not entire desktops like it's done here. So you get the real benefits later when you run most of your apps natively on Mir/Wayland.

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