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  • #31
    Originally posted by Krysto View Post
    I wonder what this means for their mobile devices.
    I seem to remember them saying that the desktop users needed functionality in Mir that the mobile didn't, so the mobile would be available sooner. I desktop/mobile convergence won't be ready until after Mir is ready for the desktop.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Pajn View Post
      With the amount of testing Mir and Unity 8 get I would guess it will eb less buggy than Compiz/Unity 7 by 14.04. Actually it would be hard to make it more buggy.
      Unity 8 will come in 14.10, 14.04 will come with Unity 7 on XMir.

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      • #33
        Intersting conversation on ubuntu-devel-list :-)

        Intersting conversation going on in ubuntu-devel-list :-)
        Originally posted by Scott Kitterman
        Personally, I'm not certain how viable Kubuntu on X/Wayland will be in the long run, but that's at least as true about Kubuntu on Mir.
        We'll get to the long run, in the long run, but for right now Mir/XMir offers us nothing but complication.
        Originally posted by Steve Langasek
        XMir is going to be the X stack that receives the most attention from Canonical, as well as from other Ubuntu developers working on Ubuntu-the-flavor.
        Given that the major concern I've seen expressed is that the Kubuntu team won't have resources to maintain their own display stack ...

        Compositing may be fragile, but there should be no difference visible to KWin between XMir and native X with respect to compositing.
        And given the tendency for bugs to arise as a result of mismatches between X+mesa, or X+mesa+kernel, I would be much more worried about native X not receiving the attention it needs to be kept in sync with mesa - a problem that won't arise with XMir, since Mir+mesa are obviously going to be maintained as a usable combination.

        So I'm not convinced that XMir actually represents complication for Kubuntu, rather than beneficial alignment.
        Originally posted by Scott Kitterman
        Personally, I'm skeptical that there is any long term future for non-Unity flavors in Ubuntu. I hope I'm wrong.

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        • #34
          Lubuntu is considering switching to Mir ...

          Originally posted by Oliver Ries
          We are about to release our benchmark results as part of the public Ubuntu QA dashboard. We will inform the community once the data is available.
          Originally posted by Julien Lavergne
          This is currently an issue for Lubuntu, because, if i understand correctly, we are going to replace an X + openbox (without composite) with a Mir + XMir + composite windows manager (?). Considering the very bad performance on some of our target hardware running under a composite manager, I'm quite worrying about the performance difference. The difference between Unity + X and Unity + XMir + Mir may not be so different, I can't say the same for Lubuntu.

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          • #35
            Look at these on the same news day!

            "Mir 0.05 released"
            "Mir By Default In Ubuntu 13.10"

            Dammit Michael, you need to start that business of selling popcorn.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by curaga View Post
              Look at these on the same news day!

              "Mir 0.05 released"
              "Mir By Default In Ubuntu 13.10"

              Dammit Michael, you need to start that business of selling popcorn.
              Want to share mine?

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              • #37
                This runs on XMir, no?

                Isn't XMir just a fork of XWayland?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by crshbndct View Post
                  This runs on XMir, no?

                  Isn't XMir just a fork of XWayland?
                  Yes, it is. See third last paragraph:
                  http://samohtv.wordpress.com/2013/03...as-a-new-home/

                  I wonder how much issues they'll face when they _cannot_ leverage prior work of others...

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                  • #39
                    This is excellent news.
                    I've always been a desktop and mobile convergent device that'll run essentially the same OS with a unified display server.
                    Ubuntu for Android looked interesting, but what they're pioneering with Ubuntu Touch will be fascinating to watch.
                    It's also sad to hear that Kubuntu will be switching to Wayland, but I suppose that's their choice. They never really offered anything besides an boring vanilla KDE experience in the first place.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Scimmia View Post
                      Small fraction? As in every single Intel user, which would be a large portion of the user base?
                      According to the Steam Hardware Survey only 13% of the PCs run on Intel Graphics.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
                        According to the Steam Hardware Survey only 13% of the PCs run on Intel Graphics.
                        That would be 13% of gamers. The vast majority of PCs don't run Steam at all, and it would make sense for them to be considerably lower-end on average, at least when it comes to graphics.

                        I'm not sure about linux stats in particular, but overall I believe Intel has about 50% marketshare, with nvidia around 30% and AMD about 15%.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by TheOne View Post
                          Originally posted by dee. View Post
                          Yeah, and once your dad comes back from Canada, we'll ALL see that your dad is stronger and smarter and richer than ALL the other dads.
                          Come on we are all family, Richard Stallman the grandpa, Linus Torvalds the uncle and Mark, yeahh you already guess it
                          By that analogy, Mark isn't your biological father, he just thinks he is.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Scimmia
                            The real news, IMO, is that they pushed back deployment of the full Mir stack to 14.10. Just like so many here said they would.
                            How is that news? They are basically rewriting everything involving the UI besides the splash screen and login manager, I'm more surprised that they expect to be done so soon... (assuming they are aiming for a finished product that is relatively free of bugs rather than do a repeat of what happened with Unity)

                            Originally posted by Krysto View Post
                            Very disappointed to see they won't make the full transition to Mir by 14.10, and it won't be in 14.04 LTS. I guess it was kind of expected, though. They were never going to finalize it in such a short amount of time until the next LTS. Still disappointed. I wonder what this means for their mobile devices.
                            The article says the transition to Mir will happen in the 14.04 LTS, it's Unity 8 that won't make it in until 14.10

                            Originally posted by Intellivision
                            It's also sad to hear that Kubuntu will be switching to Wayland, but I suppose that's their choice. They never really offered anything besides an boring vanilla KDE experience in the first place.
                            I think it's sad that they are simply predicting doom for their distro, since they package KDE rather well. They don't do anything special like OpenSUSE does with themes but compared to some distros at least things seemed to work correctly. (even having kde-telepathy running)

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by bartek View Post
                              Lubuntu is considering switching to Mir ...
                              That's not what I understand. What I understand is that they expected to stay in the real X server for a while, and now this announce worries them, because if using Xmir means that using a composite manager is a requirement, there would be no advantage in using Lubuntu on hardware that doesn't support compositing or that isn't properly supported in Ubuntu.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by rambutan View Post
                                That's not what I understand. What I understand is that they expected to stay in the real X server for a while, and now this announce worries them, because if using Xmir means that using a composite manager is a requirement, there would be no advantage in using Lubuntu on hardware that doesn't support compositing or that isn't properly supported in Ubuntu.
                                Xwayland was for App's Only not DE's and as well all know but the USheep is that Xmir is really just Xwayland to bad Xmir on Mir run's like shit now lets see if Xwayland runs just as bad

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