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    Phoronix: Canonical Is Hiring More Mir, Unity Developers

    Canonical is hiring more engineers to work on their Mir Display Server and Unity desktop interface...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTM5NjM

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    in b4 superthread

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    • #3
      I would even pay some serious cash to know what is behind the decision to re-invent the wheel, to make MIR, to dump Wayland. I just can't believe that it's only because of some stupid feature that could be discussed. There must be more...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Redi44 View Post
        I would even pay some serious cash to know what is behind the decision to re-invent the wheel, to make MIR, to dump Wayland. I just can't believe that it's only because of some stupid feature that could be discussed. There must be more...
        They want control over it. It's pretty obvious and rational. No one can blame them since they are free to do whatever suites their business the best.
        Having everything in-house like the initsystem (Upstart), the desktop and the display server etc. makes it easier to make a product when you have full control over the most important parts.

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        • #5
          Mir is an *extremely* important project. If it would fail (doubt it... it's looking mighty good), that would be a huge problem for Canonical. So they don't want to risk having differences with the Wayland developers and running into unforeseen troubles.

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          • #6
            So... Why companies like Red Hat (you know, somebody who really makes money from Linux) can afford this? Sorry, but control is not valid point either IMHO.

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            • #7
              Read The Mailing Lists

              Originally posted by Redi44 View Post
              I would even pay some serious cash to know what is behind the decision to re-invent the wheel, to make MIR, to dump Wayland. I just can't believe that it's only because of some stupid feature that could be discussed. There must be more...
              The people at Canonical have been very vocal about why they don't want to use Wayland and they want their own thing instead. The way Wayland is designed is very different than Mir and doesn't fit in with the convergence and "One OS" philosophy of Unity. Wayland doesn't address the same issues and would fundamentally not fit into Unity.

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              • #8
                Future needs one display system to all devices and that is Mir. Until Mir is open source then everything is fine. X.Org is stoneage and should be terminated.

                I am glad they are using pure c++ and Cmake system.
                Last edited by tuuker; 06-26-2013, 06:02 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by caryhartline View Post
                  The people at Canonical have been very vocal about why they don't want to use Wayland and they want their own thing instead. The way Wayland is designed is very different than Mir and doesn't fit in with the convergence and "One OS" philosophy of Unity. Wayland doesn't address the same issues and would fundamentally not fit into Unity.
                  Thank's for the PR...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by caryhartline View Post
                    The people at Canonical have been very vocal about why they don't want to use Wayland and they want their own thing instead.
                    No they haven't but you are of course free to link any posts about the subject. Most of the orginal reasons very refuted.

                    Originally posted by caryhartline View Post
                    The way Wayland is designed is very different than Mir and doesn't fit in with the convergence and "One OS" philosophy of Unity.
                    How? Wayland was designed similar setups in mind and KDE is going to use it as such.

                    Originally posted by caryhartline View Post
                    Wayland doesn't address the same issues and would fundamentally not fit into Unity.
                    What issues Mir addresses that Wayland doesn't?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tuuker View Post
                      Future needs one display system to all devices and that is Mir. Until Mir is open source then everything is fine. X.Org is stoneage and should be terminated.
                      Oh, so Wayland doesn't even exist. Hey, everyone, it was always Mir or X.org, why the fuss?

                      I am glad they are using pure c++ and Cmake system.
                      CMake is something optional (I like it), but C++ is the highest level you could use for something like that, I wouldn't be that glad just because there wasn't really any choice there. I don't think that makes it any better than any other display system per se.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                        Is it really that hard to believe that Wayland isn't the greatest piece of software in the world and that others consider that they can do better?
                        It would be easier to believe if they'd give technical facts that show it.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                          Is it really that hard to believe that Wayland isn't the greatest piece of software in the world and that others consider that they can do better?
                          Yes, it is.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Redi44 View Post
                            So... Why companies like Red Hat (you know, somebody who really makes money from Linux) can afford this? Sorry, but control is not valid point either IMHO.
                            The main developer worked for RedHat when he started with Wayland; now he works for Intel. But did you never wonder why the RedHat guys keep the shitstorm running when its against Ubuntu/Canonical?

                            There are more of political and business competition decisions than real technical decisions. It is just sad to see that the "linux community" let themselvs utilize for that game. Technically it should be: let them all do their work and we will see what is best in the end.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by k1l_ View Post
                              The main developer worked for RedHat when he started with Wayland; now he works for Intel. But did you never wonder why the RedHat guys keep the shitstorm running when its against Ubuntu/Canonical?

                              There are more of political and business competition decisions than real technical decisions. It is just sad to see that the "linux community" let themselvs utilize for that game. Technically it should be: let them all do their work and we will see what is best in the end.
                              Wikipedia states that Wayland started as a spare time project, so no influence by Red Hat here. Hell I dislike Fedora/Red Hat too and still find a moment to hate Mir...

                              Because the "Linux community" is more inteligent than most of the idiotic managers in these corporations and realizes that whatever succeeds will be with us for the next few decades and that separating such important projects splits the manpower and fragments our already small cummunity.

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