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    Phoronix: In-Fighting Continues Over Mir On Non-Unity Ubuntu

    For those looking for the latest drama in the Ubuntu Linux land, the fighting over whether KDE and GNOME should support the Mir Display Server to complement the in-development Wayland support continues to be hotly discussed...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTM5MTE

  • #2
    Fighting over peace...

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    • #3
      It just seems that Canonical lives in a different universe. It's going to take a lot more to convince people to adopt Mir. Even if Mir were technically superior to Wayland, the fact that it only runs in one place makes it very difficult to justify working on, especially when the path to making GNOME or KDE compatible with Mir has far more obstacles than what's currently happening with Wayland.

      I don't have a problem with Mir being used for Ubuntu, as Unity is already an Ubuntu-specific interface that's extremely difficult to get working on other distros. But it's just silly to expect other people to support Mir so far ahead, without the technical means or the social imperative to do so.

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      • #4
        Linux comes off as really amateurish.

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        • #5
          Mir dev's "We would like to port kde to Mir ourselves, but we just need some pointers"

          Kde dev "Go fuck yourselves"

          Zealots "See, Ubuntu doesn't try to work with upstream"

          Everyone else "The hell?"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
            Mir dev's "We would like to port kde to Mir ourselves, but we just need some pointers"

            Kde dev "Go fuck yourselves"

            Zealots "See, Ubuntu doesn't try to work with upstream"

            Everyone else "The hell?"
            Nice summary. I just read the whole thread and got exactly the same impression.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
              Mir dev's "We would like to port kde to Mir ourselves, but we just need some pointers"

              Kde dev "Go fuck yourselves"

              Zealots "See, Ubuntu doesn't try to work with upstream"

              Everyone else "The hell?"
              Which KDE dev are you referring to? I didn't see any KDE developers on there, just some kubuntu maintainers.

              I also saw the same kubuntu developers suggest that if Mir developers wanted to talk to KDE developers, they should contact the KDE developers directly. The Mir developers refused, insisting it was the kubuntu developers' responsibility to organize a discussion for them. And then the Mir developers complained that upstream didn't want to talk to them.

              Mir developers also apparently read Martin's blog post, but showed absolutely no interest in addressing any of his technical points, they just kept complaining about one sentence about bugs in the Ubuntu graphics stack, repeatedly demanding that the Kubuntu developers list the bugs even though the Kubuntu developers repeatedly explained that they didn't know anything about those bugs.
              Last edited by TheBlackCat; 06-18-2013, 01:08 PM.

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              • #8
                Wayland may come to Ubuntu

                "I think the best way for us to continue to engage with upstreams at this point is to make sure that the Wayland protocol can work on Ubuntu. I don't see support for multiple protocols happening in GNOME/KDE/others, as that's quite contrary to every project's goal (including Unity!)"


                https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ub...ne/037341.html

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                • #9
                  did you see what the ubuntu developer said about wayland

                  "Wayland has yet to advance beyond the level of a pet project - not
                  something production-ready that projects can rely on in a shipping release"

                  what a Dick

                  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ub...ne/037329.html

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                  • #10
                    Xubuntu

                    I use Xubuntu and are a very vocal supporter of it. But it kind of ticks me off that the devs of Xubuntu have been so quiet on this issue, last I heard they said it shouldn't be a problem. I'm starting to get very upset at this whole situation with Canonical. In recent day's I've been giving Debian 7.1 a hard look but it seems like there are things missing that put me off. Critical things that are missing is the ease that *buntu has of installing AMD/Nvidia drivers via Jockey-gtk; I have to manually type out some things via the terminal in Debian and edit the Xorg config...yes for you old hats it's cool but for people whom have moved from Windows to Linux it's just not.

                    Also missing, of course is the Software Center and over the past few day's I've been reading horror stories about Unity games and other games having issues running in Debian. It's one of those things you want as an alternative, but there is this brick wall staring at you. I'd choose Mint except it's just too crash happy on my systems and those guys are very moody about people asking for ways to buy software. I've seen people lose their mod rights for asking about bringing the Software Center to Mint...not cool.

                    My only other option it seems is dirty Windows, but you couldn't pay me to use that again. So now I'm in limbo, hoping they can all work this out and wishing the Xubuntu team would be more vocal.

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                    • #11
                      you can use opensuse it has 1 click installs

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                      • #12
                        The funny thing about KDE is that they arenít even going to accept any Mir patches, because it's a singe distro solution.
                        This is funny because? You may ask.

                        Because, more people are probably going use Mir and Ubuntu than there are Wayland users in all other distros.
                        And KDE already have special single "distro" support in there Windows initiative, and I would guess that amount
                        of Windows users interested in running KDE is less than the amount of Ubuntu users interested in running KDE
                        (because of Windows users never heard of KDE).

                        I may understand the angriness of the KDE developers but they should probably spend 10 seconds coming up
                        with a less obvious answer. Something like "we hate Canonical" would be a lot more serious.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
                          Mir dev's "We would like to port kde to Mir ourselves, but we just need some pointers"

                          Kde dev "Go fuck yourselves"

                          Zealots "See, Ubuntu doesn't try to work with upstream"

                          Everyone else "The hell?"
                          The reality distortion field is strong in this one.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Pajn View Post
                            The funny thing about KDE is that they aren’t even going to accept any Mir patches, because it's a singe distro solution.
                            This is funny because? You may ask.

                            Because, more people are probably going use Mir and Ubuntu than there are Wayland users in all other distros.
                            And KDE already have special single "distro" support in there Windows initiative, and I would guess that amount
                            of Windows users interested in running KDE is less than the amount of Ubuntu users interested in running KDE
                            (because of Windows users never heard of KDE).

                            I may understand the angriness of the KDE developers but they should probably spend 10 seconds coming up
                            with a less obvious answer. Something like "we hate Canonical" would be a lot more serious.
                            So how does the Windows support look like? There are progams like Okular for Windows, which probably isn't that dramatic considering that Qt is a multiplatform framework. If you could enlighten me on how to run the complete KDE Plasma Workspace with KWin on Windows 7 I will forever praise you as the King of the Internet.

                            According to the Steam Hardware Survey there are just as much non-Ubuntu users as Ubuntu users. Considering that Steam is officially supported only on Ubuntu there might even be a Ubuntu-bias to this.
                            Last edited by blackout23; 06-18-2013, 02:27 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mike Frett View Post
                              I use Xubuntu and are a very vocal supporter of it. But it kind of ticks me off that the devs of Xubuntu have been so quiet on this issue, last I heard they said it shouldn't be a problem. I'm starting to get very upset at this whole situation with Canonical. In recent day's I've been giving Debian 7.1 a hard look but it seems like there are things missing that put me off. Critical things that are missing is the ease that *buntu has of installing AMD/Nvidia drivers via Jockey-gtk; I have to manually type out some things via the terminal in Debian and edit the Xorg config...yes for you old hats it's cool but for people whom have moved from Windows to Linux it's just not.

                              Also missing, of course is the Software Center and over the past few day's I've been reading horror stories about Unity games and other games having issues running in Debian. It's one of those things you want as an alternative, but there is this brick wall staring at you. I'd choose Mint except it's just too crash happy on my systems and those guys are very moody about people asking for ways to buy software. I've seen people lose their mod rights for asking about bringing the Software Center to Mint...not cool.

                              My only other option it seems is dirty Windows, but you couldn't pay me to use that again. So now I'm in limbo, hoping they can all work this out and wishing the Xubuntu team would be more vocal.
                              Xubuntu's upstream desktop (XFCE) has no plans to support anything but X at the moment, so not much xubuntu can do aside from sticking with X.

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