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  • Shuttleworth On Mir: "A Fantastic Piece of Engineering"

    Phoronix: Shuttleworth On Mir: "A Fantastic Piece of Engineering"

    Mark Shuttleworth has written a third blog post today. After he started blogging to come to his defense on Ubuntu, he's written a third post that largely is defending Canonical's position on developing the Mir Display Server and the feelings right now by derivatives like Kubuntu and Xubuntu...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTMyMDk

  • #2
    "the space tourist goes on to say"

    Really? It sounds to me like someone is angry.. There are many space tourists, this should read "the founder of Ubuntu, a widely popular Linux distro, goes on to say." That is, if we need superfluous descriptors.

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    • #3
      Samsung is launching Tizen phones this year which run wayland. Right?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by coder543 View Post
        "the space tourist goes on to say"

        Really? It sounds to me like someone is angry.. There are many space tourists, this should read "the founder of Ubuntu, a widely popular Linux distro, goes on to say." That is, if we need superfluous descriptors.
        My thought's exactly. Shouldn't being a journalist require one to be as indifferent as possible? Things haven't even taken off yet for both Wayland and Mir, yet the article makes it seem like war at the end of the world.

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        • #5
          @Michael "I do wish any open-source project success that seeks to improve the Linux graphics stack."

          Hahaha. Come on. Admit it, you want it to die. And so do I.

          BTW. Loved the photo and description. "Will Mir hold better?"

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          • #6
            So Martin Grlin thinks he owns Kubuntu or KDE based Ubuntu. Is this a case of tall poppy-syndrome of people not liking Mark's success?

            Ubuntu is kicking butt. Just accept it, it's quality and vision that others are lacking.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by coder543 View Post
              "the space tourist goes on to say"

              Really? It sounds to me like someone is angry.. There are many space tourists, this should read "the founder of Ubuntu, a widely popular Linux distro, goes on to say." That is, if we need superfluous descriptors.
              Most people who actually have a clue are angry at Canonical not because Mir exists but because Canonical didn't even try to work with Wayland, They never once even talked to the wayland devs until RAOF decided to do so after the fact, or voice concerns or needs, meanwhile Canonical spread FUD about Wayland which due to community reaction they had to retract and comes out with this other in-development display server which they've been working on for the past 9 months, with none of their arguments against wayland actually holding up under scrutinty, which means either they made a bad technical analysis (which if that was the case they would have been talking to the wayland devs and would have stopped working on Mir once their problems were found to be naught) or it's a purely political move. It's pretty clear by everything that has happened that it's the latter, and that's what is making people angry.

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              • #8
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFwJgXwFE-E

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                • #9
                  How is Mir going to be on more more devices? They don't have any OEMs and Carriers on board for Ubuntu Touch. If they really want devices out late this year beginning 2014 they should have something to announce by now. Firefox has 18 companies on its bandwagon. Don't tell me they are holdling it back...they would take any publicity they can get "Hey company XY will ship Ubuntu Phones!" to attracts more OEMs.

                  Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
                  So Martin Grlin thinks he owns Kubuntu or KDE based Ubuntu. Is this a case of tall poppy-syndrome of people not liking Mark's success?

                  Ubuntu is kicking butt. Just accept it, it's quality and vision that others are lacking.
                  Not sure if you are trolling or just stupid.

                  Martin is the maintainer for KWin.
                  Not accepting distro specific code for the Window Manager he maintains (which is then used by KUbuntu) sounds pretty sensible to me.
                  Last edited by blackout23; 03-07-2013, 02:12 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
                    How is Mir going to be on more more devices? They don't have any OEMs and Carriers on board for Ubuntu Touch. If they really want devices out late this year beginning 2014 they should have something to announce by now. Firefox has 18 companies on its bandwagon. Don't tell me they are holdling it back...they would take any publicity they can get "Hey company XY will ship Ubuntu Phones!" to attracts more OEMs.



                    Not sure if you are trolling or just stupid.

                    Martin is the maintainer for KWin.
                    Not accepting distro specific code for the Window Manager he maintains (which is then used by KUbuntu) sounds pretty sensible to me.
                    They intend to support the Android gpu drivers built for surfaceflinger. Wayland supports some, but not all, present day Android GPU chipsets.

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                    • #11
                      Mark also writes, "Ive absolutely no doubt that Kwin will work just fine on top of Mir." This is quite interesting considering that Martin Grlin, the maintainer of the KDE KWin compositing window manager, wrote on his blog about Mir. The German KDE developer wrote, "Will KWin support Mir? No!"
                      I have a feeling we'll be seeing a lot of this type of thing lately.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by zanny View Post
                        They intend to support the Android gpu drivers built for surfaceflinger. Wayland supports some, but not all, present day Android GPU chipsets.
                        Still doesn't really matter if there simply won't be anyone making that thing. As I said they are at the mercy of OEMs and carriers and Canonical doesn't really have a good track record when it comes to getting companies to ship their stuff. Or have you seen any Ubuntu TVs lately? You know the ones demoed at CED 1-2 years ago?

                        Luck at the current state of Ubuntu Touch. Look at Mirs to do list. You think anyone is interested putting this clusterfuck on a phone/tablet and ship it to stores by the end of this year?
                        Last edited by blackout23; 03-07-2013, 02:21 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by coder543 View Post
                          "the space tourist goes on to say"

                          Really? It sounds to me like someone is angry.. There are many space tourists, this should read "the founder of Ubuntu, a widely popular Linux distro, goes on to say." That is, if we need superfluous descriptors.
                          I think it's supposed to be a pun. Shuttleworth a space tourist, saying that Mir (a satellite) is "a fantastic piece of engineering". Truly worth a shuttle, that.

                          Originally posted by sabun View Post
                          My thought's exactly. Shouldn't being a journalist require one to be as indifferent as possible? Things haven't even taken off yet for both Wayland and Mir, yet the article makes it seem like war at the end of the world.
                          Hah, you'd wish. No, it's scientists that are required to be indifferent, not journalists.

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                          • #14
                            Yes - Mir is fantastic

                            And Wayland is diamond-dazzlingly magnificent. In an unrelated note, dear Mr Otellini and the next-incoming Intel CEO - you've got a strong team of developers working on the next thing that could sell a quadrillion Intel CPUs in the next 10 years - Wayland on Linux. Advance the transformation of Linux like no one has been able to by investing in this as well as the Intel HD FLOSS drivers.

                            As much as I hate slogans - let the best man win.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
                              How is Mir going to be on more more devices? They don't have any OEMs and Carriers on board for Ubuntu Touch. If they really want devices out late this year beginning 2014 they should have something to announce by now. Firefox has 18 companies on its bandwagon. Don't tell me they are holdling it back...they would take any publicity they can get "Hey company XY will ship Ubuntu Phones!" to attracts more OEMs.
                              You don't need Carriers. Have you even conceptualised the project? Ubuntu OS will layer itself on open phones and tablets, as well as running perfectly on desktops.

                              Canonical will obviously like dedicated Phone Signal Carriers for the restrictive US market, but it's not imperative for their project. Anyone that unlocks their phone and accesses the coming images will be able to use Ubuntu 'Next'. Also other Nations don't have the monopoly setup America has with carriers. Other places allow you to buy a SIM from a carrier and put it in any phone that supports the tower/comms protocols.
                              Last edited by e8hffff; 03-07-2013, 02:32 PM.

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