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  • #16
    Originally posted by zanny View Post
    They intend to support the Android gpu drivers built for surfaceflinger. Wayland supports some, but not all, present day Android GPU chipsets.
    I thought Wayland dropped that (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTI4Mjk)? Or is there another route that works on occasion?

    Anyhow:
    The whole deal with Mir does leave a bad taste in my mouth; but then, so does the decision RAOF compared it to: Lennart starting systemd instead of continuing to work on upstart.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
      Martin is the maintainer for KWin.
      Not accepting distro specific code for the Window Manager he maintains (which is then used by KUbuntu) sounds pretty sensible to me.
      He still doesn’t own KWin. He should be supporting the best solutions, and if that's Mir, do it. If he plays politics then he should be booted by the community.

      KDE has a lot to gain with Ubuntu's move into QT.

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      • #18
        Haha so you think they will get anywhere by having people flash Ubuntu on their device?

        Let's look at the most popular Android ROM CyanogenMod.
        http://stats.cyanogenmod.com/

        It has 3.8 Million installations. Now of course not everyone is running CM or uses a custom ROM on his rooted phone so let's just quadruple or even 5x this number and end up with 20 Million rooted devices. Next put that in perspective to the amount of Android devices out there. Hint it is in the hundrets of millions. So from 20 million maybe 10% will install Ubuntu Touch. WOHO Ubuntu world domination!

        If they don't get someone to build a phone with Ubuntu that you can buy fast they'll have failed. Like it or not.

        @Kwin

        He will support it if it ends up being used by many Linux distros which is very unlikely if you look at the adoption of past Canonical things like upstart.
        If it's just ends up a Ubuntu only thing it would be retarded to put code into the main Kwin just to support ONE distro.

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        • #19
          FWIW...

          Mir wasn't exactly a satellite...it was a spacelab like the fail SkyLab or the sucessfull ISS.

          Mir still holds several world records.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
            He still doesn’t own KWin. He should be supporting the best solutions, and if that's Mir, do it. If he plays politics then he should be booted by the community.

            KDE has a lot to gain with Ubuntu's move into QT.
            Technically he does actually I mean he is the main developer and I don't know how much of the codebase is his work but I'd imagine most of it at this point...

            Also as the maintainer it is his repo...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
              Let's look at the most popular Android ROM CyanogenMod.
              I bet Mark's approach will be to garner a user base that will lead to greater uptake, so don't get ahead of yourself. We are talking about Linux here, and Mark has been the only one to get it into the mainstream so far, so put some trust in him to take it further.

              Without Mark and Ubuntu, Linux would be still in the dark ages. Ubuntu has brought competition by their sheer innovation, causing other players to be doing catchup.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
                So Martin Grlin thinks he owns Kubuntu or KDE based Ubuntu. Is this a case of tall poppy-syndrome of people not liking Mark's success?

                Ubuntu is kicking butt. Just accept it, it's quality and vision that others are lacking.
                He "owns" kwin though, he's the main kwin developer for upstream KDE. kubuntu generally doesn't do any development of KDE itself afiak, so if he says kwin won't support mir I'd say thats accurate, since he's one of the people actually coding kwin.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
                  I bet Mark's approach will be to garner a user base that will lead to greater uptake, so don't get ahead of yourself. We are talking about Linux here, and Mark has been the only one to get it into the mainstream so far, so put some trust in him to take it further.

                  Without Mark and Ubuntu, Linux would be still in the dark ages. Ubuntu has brought competition by their sheer innovation, causing other players to be doing catchup.
                  How is Ubuntu in the mainstream? Go out to town stop 100 people and ask them what computer operating systems they know.
                  Haven't seen a Ubuntu fanboy in so much denial for a long time.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
                    He "owns" kwin though, he's the main kwin developer for upstream KDE. kubuntu generally doesn't do any development of KDE itself afiak, so if he says kwin won't support mir I'd say thats accurate, since he's one of the people actually coding kwin.
                    My statement is still correct. If Martin plays politics then he's doing himself and KDE, a disservice.

                    I use Kubuntu myself. I want it moving forward, not go stale with the likes of other distributions who put little effort in concurrency and size of their repositories, or KDE versions. Canonical has also made KDE what it is today, by their support for Kubuntu.

                    Wake up and smell the flowers(roses) is an appropriate saying.
                    Last edited by e8hffff; 03-07-2013, 02:53 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
                      How is Ubuntu in the mainstream? Go out to town stop 100 people and ask them what computer operating systems they know. Haven't seen a Ubuntu fanboy in so much denial for a long time.
                      Just admit it you're a bitter person and can't stand for Ubuntu to go big.

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                      • #26
                        Are you Mark Shuttleworth? I'm kinda sick of this retarded bs again and again and again.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
                          Just admit it you're a bitter person and can't stand for Ubuntu to go big.
                          I'd love for Ubuntu to go big - on Wayland.

                          Edited: Let me be even more clear, I want Canonical to go Apple big while on Wayland. While not flipping the bird to Wayland/X.org.
                          Last edited by MartinN; 03-07-2013, 03:10 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
                            Canonical has also made KDE what it is today, by their support for Kubuntu.
                            This made me laugh

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
                              My statement is still correct. If Martin plays politics then he's doing himself and KDE, a disservice.

                              I use Kubuntu myself. I want it moving forward, not go stale with the likes of other distributions who put little effort in concurrency and size of their repositories, or KDE versions. Canonical has also made KDE what it is today, by their support for Kubuntu.

                              Wake up and smell the flowers(roses) is an appropriate saying.
                              At least 4 kubuntu developers are working for Blue Systems now

                              Jonathan Riddell
                              http://www.h-online.com/open/news/it...u-1518345.html
                              Rohan Garg
                              https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg
                              Harald Sitter
                              http://at.linkedin.com/in/haraldsitter
                              Jonathan Thomas
                              http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2...e-and-kubuntu/

                              And so Martin Grlin
                              http://www.h-online.com/open/news/it...s-1725221.html

                              Hell from what I see Blue Systems have developers in almost every core KDE project

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
                                My statement is still correct. If Martin plays politics then he's doing himself and KDE, a disservice.

                                I use Kubuntu myself. I want it moving forward, not go stale with the likes of other distributions who put little effort in concurrency and size of their repositories, or KDE versions. Canonical has also made KDE what it is today, by their support for Kubuntu.

                                Wake up and smell the flowers(roses) is an appropriate saying.
                                Starting from this point:
                                If there are downstream specific patches they should be applied downstream. This means at the current time there is no way to add support and even if someone would implement support for KWin on Ubuntu I would veto the patches as we dont accept distro-specific code. If Mir becomes available on more distributions one can consider the second question.
                                It is evident that:
                                1) If he speaks about to put a "veto" on some eventualy distro-specific patch this means, to me, that he is in change for do it.
                                2) if you are seasoned about the space-man policy in terms of open source approach, it is your problem. Other people follow different approach about the open source community and if he say "we do not accept distro-specific patch" it means that he *does not go stale with the likes of just-one-distro*
                                3) KDE has made KDE what it is today, Canonical was and is busy to make many things but no one of those have something to share with KDE. Wait, maybe Wayland could be something to share with kde, but they have correct this error pretty quickly.
                                4) *If there are downstream specific patches they should be applied downstream* should be clear enough, isn't it?

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