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  • #16
    Originally posted by talvik View Post
    That's what I've said. Having Mir support doesn't necessarily translate in Wayland support or the other way around.
    Read what i wrote, it's not the same thing, dude.

    If nVidia produces an EGL *certified* driver (ie: using the EGL specification) then Wayland should work just fine. It does not matter that Canonical may be using additional (EGL) extensions that Wayland is not. (since Wayland doesn't need those anyway).

    again, you didn't understand thomas' blog, you also don't seem to grasp what i am saying about EGL and specifications and are continuing to spread FUD.

    use your brain dude.
    Last edited by ninez; 03-07-2013, 11:16 AM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by ninez View Post
      Read what i wrote, it's not the same thing, dude.

      If nVidia produces an EGL *certified* driver (ie: using the EGL specification) then Wayland should work just fine. It does not matter that Canonical may be using additional (EGL) extensions that Wayland is not. (since Wayland doesn't need those anyway).

      again, you didn't understand thomas' blog, you also don't seem to grasp what i am saying about EGL and specifications and are continuing to spread FUD.

      use your brain dude.
      Well I working with what you've wrote. You've said "EGL + extensions are what is needed to support Wayland", so doesn't nvidia have to support those "extensions" for it work?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ninez View Post
        If nVidia produces an EGL *certified* driver (ie: using the EGL specification) then Wayland should work just fine. It does not matter that Canonical may be using additional (EGL) extensions that Wayland is not. (since Wayland doesn't need those anyway).
        So Wayland does not need extensions? that would reassure me a lot. Do you have some sources where the driver/EGL requirements are for Wayland? I googled quickly, but couldn't make it clear.

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        • #19
          Yes, wouldn't it be nice if free software was the norm, not the exception?

          But how are we going to get there?
          If it is by selling our core values, then is it really worth it?

          I don't want Linux with adware, spyware, EULA, DRM, proprietary software, proprietary protocols, binary blobs, bundled software, browser toolbars, software that modify browser start page, backdoors, etc.

          Don't forget about transparency.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by ninez View Post
            I hope they convince nvidia, but on the flipside, hope canonical has to maintain all of their Mir support out of tree for the various toolkits. (no one even commented on the MESA mailing list about their Mir patchset, hopefully this is a sign that upstream doesn't appreciate what Canonical is doing with Mir). If that is the case, i hope GTK+ and Qt do the same.
            I can not see way qt should have anything against uppstreaming of the mir support. Multiplatform is a core idea for qt and as I understand it you can usually do it in a very clean way.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by talvik View Post
              Well I working with what you've wrote. You've said "EGL + extensions are what is needed to support Wayland", so doesn't nvidia have to support those "extensions" for it work?
              they're apart of the specification.

              Canonical wants nVidia to add *additional* extensions in order for Mir to be able to have the features mentioned in the blog by Thomas (which Wayland already supports, using the existing EGL implementation).

              Originally posted by erendorn View Post
              So Wayland does not need extensions? that would reassure me a lot. Do you have some sources where the driver/EGL requirements are for Wayland? I googled quickly, but couldn't make it clear.
              Wayland doesn't need the extensions that Canonical/Mir developers are trying to get into EGL, afaict.

              There is another thread here in the forums (relating to Mir/Wayland) where an Xorg/Wayland developer (or two) mentioned that all Wayland needs is a proper EGL implementation, if i remember correctly, he also said the nvidia driver wouldn't need KMS either - just EGL/extensions (but not the extensions that Thomas/Mir-dev is talknig about - since they aren't (currently?) apart of the EGL specification.

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              • #22
                I'm so sorry for phoronix

                Originally posted by cake View Post
                Removing phoronix from my rss reader for good. Your articles have become complete trash, bye!
                I Agree with you 100%

                This guy is bashing Canonical and Ubuntu community every single day and most of his thoughts does not make sense at ALL.
                Obviously this is an easy way for him to get more readers and make more money. THAT'S NOT A FAIR BUSINESS.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Akka View Post
                  I can not see way qt should have anything against uppstreaming of the mir support. Multiplatform is a core idea for qt and as I understand it you can usually do it in a very clean way.
                  I said i 'hope' upstream projects ignore Mir - i didn't say that would be what happens, nor did i give any technical reason why it wouldn't happen

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by sepisoad View Post
                    I Agree with you 100%

                    This guy is bashing Canonical and Ubuntu community every single day and most of his thoughts does not make sense at ALL.
                    Obviously this is an easy way for him to get more readers and make more money. THAT'S NOT A FAIR BUSINESS.
                    When I read planet Ubuntu I get the impression Canonical get bashing from their own community also. The biggest contributor of kde package called Canonical, community unfriendly, a day ago as seen in Marks blog... And its shitload of other more or less critical blogs and people that not have renewed there memberships. But I don't get the impression that it has much to do with MIR. Maybe the secrecy around it is a part though.
                    Last edited by Akka; 03-07-2013, 11:53 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by ninez View Post
                      There is another thread here in the forums (relating to Mir/Wayland) where an Xorg/Wayland developer (or two) mentioned that all Wayland needs is a proper EGL implementation, if i remember correctly, he also said the nvidia driver wouldn't need KMS either - just EGL/extensions (but not the extensions that Thomas/Mir-dev is talknig about)
                      What? "all Wayland needs is a proper EGL implementation" and than following "just EGL/extensions". It's either just EGL or EGL+extensions?

                      " just EGL/extensions (but not the extensions that Thomas/Mir-dev is talknig about)"
                      So there will be two types of extensions? Which is exactly my point in the first place.

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                      • #26
                        "What Iím really interested in is this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to create a free and open platform that is THE LEADER across both consumer and enterprise computing."

                        FLOSS needs THE FUHRER!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by sepisoad View Post
                          I Agree with you 100%

                          This guy is bashing Canonical and Ubuntu community every single day and most of his thoughts does not make sense at ALL.
                          Obviously this is an easy way for him to get more readers and make more money. THAT'S NOT A FAIR BUSINESS.
                          This time it's the Ubuntu community that is bashing Canonical.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                            Yes, wouldn't it be nice if free software was the norm, not the exception?

                            But how are we going to get there?
                            If it is by selling our core values, then is it really worth it?

                            I don't want Linux with adware, spyware, EULA, DRM, proprietary software, proprietary protocols, binary blobs, bundled software, browser toolbars, software that modify browser start page, backdoors, etc.

                            Don't forget about transparency.
                            That's my view on this as well. Sounds quite hypocritical.

                            I don't see anything that Ubuntu brought that isn't just as good on Mageia, for instance. Except for marketing, of course. And really, "I simply have zero interest in the crowd who wants to be different."? How about the decision to put the window control buttons on the left side of the window in Unity, and all the other things they did just to be different? Hypocrisy abound.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by talvik View Post
                              What? "all Wayland needs is a proper EGL implementation" and than following "just EGL/extensions". It's either just EGL or EGL+extensions?

                              " just EGL/extensions (but not the extensions that Thomas/Mir-dev is talknig about)"
                              So there will be two types of extensions? Which is exactly my point in the first place.
                              go fscking read up on this sh*t, if you want to know about it - rather than just making assumptions, and inaccurate statements;

                              http://www.khronos.org/registry/egl/

                              EGL has extensions, Mir developers want to add a few for their purposes. end of story. ~ there is no 'two types of extensions', you're point makes NO sense and you haven't even done the most BASIC homework on the subject, yet seem to think you have something relevant to say on it.
                              Last edited by ninez; 03-07-2013, 12:20 PM.

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                              • #30
                                I will never understand ubuntu fanboys. Ok, I understand you are a fans, but despite all that is happening and that will happen you still somehow think that must be the good thing. Hilarious

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