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  • A Note To Canonical: "Don't Piss On Wayland"

    Phoronix: A Note To Canonical: "Don't Piss On Wayland"

    In addition to X.Org and Wayland developers criticizing Canonical on Google+ about the Mir display server, there was a colorful discussion about this new open-source project on the Wayland IRC channel...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTMxODA

  • #2
    I really hope, that everybody(except canonical), will boycott this "mir" shit thing.
    Michael you have contacts with Valve, can you ask them what they think about it.

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    • #3
      Canonical has fucked it up this time. They're losing all the trust they still had from the FLOSS community.

      As someone else said, at least Google is honest with its intentions. Canonical dismisses community standards and only uses upstream as free labor.

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      • #4
        I was cool with ubuntu until this. Granted a lot of it is way over my head but still seems like they should have just went wayland.

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        • #5
          Canonical is suffering from NCLAH syndrome.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by newwen View Post
            As someone else said, at least Google is honest with its intentions. Canonical dismisses community standards and only uses upstream as free labor.
            Wasn't google experimenting with Wayland on their Chrome OS window manager (Aura??) ??

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            • #7
              Wow, talk about being evasive. Roaf pretty much couldn't give a direct answer to anything, and the few things he could give answers to ended up being totally bogus.

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              • #8
                So much negativity

                Mir may not be anything right now, but I certainly hope it turns into something good in the future. Nothing wrong with having options. It's nice that we have so many DEs (even though others like to call these options fragmentation). Just like I'm not yet judging Wayland in anyway, I'm not judging Mir yet either. Wait for these to actually be implemented fulltime after their release to judge them.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by sabun View Post
                  Mir may not be anything right now, but I certainly hope it turns into something good in the future. Nothing wrong with having options. It's nice that we have so many DEs (even though others like to call these options fragmentation). Just like I'm not yet judging Wayland in anyway, I'm not judging Mir yet either. Wait for these to actually be implemented fulltime after their release to judge them.
                  It is bad, because it is not a collaboration but competition. It increases pressure on toolkits, on drivers, on developers, and in quality of service in the end. I hope mir dies.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sabun View Post
                    Mir may not be anything right now, but I certainly hope it turns into something good in the future. Nothing wrong with having options. It's nice that we have so many DEs (even though others like to call these options fragmentation). Just like I'm not yet judging Wayland in anyway, I'm not judging Mir yet either. Wait for these to actually be implemented fulltime after their release to judge them.
                    If Mir offered anything new, I might be interested too. But from that conversation it doesn't sound like they will offer anything all that different from what they would have offered had they used Wayland. There are a lot of maybes and guesses about how things might be different in the future, but they don't actually have any clue what is happening Wayland so they really don't know whether it will be all that different or not.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Drago View Post
                      Michael you have contacts with Valve, can you ask them what they think about it.
                      That would be interesting, indeed.
                      In particular, as it *might* even be the case that Valve is actually the driving force behind this.

                      The whole timeline looks a bit suspicious to me.

                      They started the first internal commits in mid 2012.
                      Negotiations with Canonical about the Linux base system of the SteamBox could have happened in early 2012.
                      Also, they aim for a first (productive?) release end of 2013.
                      That agrees with the planned release of the SteamBox, end of 2013/early 2014.

                      And how the hell did they manage to convince AMD and Nvidia (especially AMD) to join if it wasn't for the Steambox?
                      Seriously, Ubuntu alone wouldn't make them support Mir and probably cut Wayland support.
                      I can't think of AMD supporting Mir and Wayland. That may be different for NVidia, though.
                      Last edited by entropy; 03-05-2013, 07:48 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Thumbs up the Canonical. Wayland isn't going anywhere at the moment. It's already been two years + and no real implementation.

                        The Wayland Developers need to be truthful and stand up and say what is wrong with Wayland. There needs to be discussion.

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                        • #13
                          Remember all the Nay Sayers about PulseAudio. Canonical proved that was the way to go and now PulseAudio is a must in any install.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
                            Thumbs up the Canonical. Wayland isn't going anywhere at the moment. It's already been two years + and no real implementation.

                            The Wayland Developers need to be truthful and stand up and say what is wrong with Wayland. There needs to be discussion.
                            I guess you haven't read the article? The discussion should have been there like a year ago, certainly before starting with an own implementation. And judging from the comments, the Canonical guys seem to have no idea about Wayland, just that Mir is going to be different somehow. This is pure nih and souce control politics imho, which is rather sad.

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                            • #15
                              It is bad, because it is not a collaboration but competition. It increases pressure on toolkits, on drivers, on developers, and in quality of service in the end. I hope mir dies.
                              Collaboration AND competition are both good things. Heck, you may hate Mir now even though very little has been made of it. But who knows, this could also be the thing to push Wayland into getting serious and actually becoming used!

                              It's good for us users, as it offers a future chance for choice. Let's hope both Wayland and Mir become good healthy rivals.

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