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  • #31
    Doesn't matter

    Originally posted by BlueKoala View Post
    Wow, this could be misleading for the average Joe:

    ATI HD4500 vs Intel 4500HD
    It wouldn't be so bad if they were neck to neck performance wise.
    I'm wondering how they'll compare.
    After years of struggling with ATI, I am glad to find an alternative that promises to work out-of-the-box. Goodbye ATI, I just recommended it to a friend, and will never purchase another ATI product in future. Doesn't matter if the G45 is 4 points slow in some test or 2 points slower in another, the result will still be enjoyable HD movie watching!

    Hip hip Hooray! Freedom from buggy ATI drivers at last ..

    Cheers

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    • #32
      Originally posted by HwyXingFrog View Post
      But lately I've been focusing on trying the AM2 based boards, the 780g and GF8200 (don't have a GF8200 yet, but I will be ordering one soon), and I even jumped the gun last year getting the 690g. And even have a BE-2350 and a 4850e.

      I am MOST interested to see the power consumption comparisons for all of these chipsets in idle and while playing some H.264 content. My HTPC is running 24/7. Hoping to somehow be able to play uncompressed 1080p content in linux with one of these chipsets, I really want to get away from depending on Windows for my HTPC.

      Mythbuntu 8.10 is going to be awesome on all these new boards.
      Do you use one HTPC for each eyeball and one for each ear or audio channel?

      Cheers

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Ragool View Post
        Do you use one HTPC for each eyeball and one for each ear or audio channel?

        Cheers
        Nope, just trying to find the right one to suit my needs. My current HTPC is using the GF8200 board (But still running windows XP). First it was the ATI 690g (Which has no hardware decoding), then the ATI 780g (This ended up going in my Ubuntu Desktop machine because it worked with Ubuntu 8.04 easily).

        I'm in the middle of moving right now, but I'm hoping to try getting hardware decoding and HDMI audio working on the GF8200 in Ubuntu in XBMC.

        I'm still waiting to see if they come out with an Atom based board with the Intel G45.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by HwyXingFrog View Post
          Nope, just trying to find the right one to suit my needs. My current HTPC is using the GF8200 board (But still running windows XP). First it was the ATI 690g (Which has no hardware decoding), then the ATI 780g (This ended up going in my Ubuntu Desktop machine because it worked with Ubuntu 8.04 easily).

          I'm in the middle of moving right now, but I'm hoping to try getting hardware decoding and HDMI audio working on the GF8200 in Ubuntu in XBMC.

          I'm still waiting to see if they come out with an Atom based board with the Intel G45.
          You see mto change hardware as frequently as some guys change girlfriends

          There will be the dual core atom in Q4, then the via nano 3000 dual core and amd neo coming too

          Good luck!

          Cheers

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Ragool View Post
            You see mto change hardware as frequently as some guys change girlfriends

            There will be the dual core atom in Q4, then the via nano 3000 dual core and amd neo coming too

            Good luck!

            Cheers
            Yeah, I've been changing so often trying to find the hardware that will suit my needs exactly. (Any old stuff I have just gets demoted to other pc's).

            Once I find the hardware that does hardware decoding of 1080p h.264 in linux on a low power integrated graphics, I will be a happy camper.

            So, if you know of a setup that works perfectly, and uses an average of 60 watts (mostly idle of course), let me know.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by HwyXingFrog View Post
              Yeah, I've been changing so often trying to find the hardware that will suit my needs exactly. (Any old stuff I have just gets demoted to other pc's).

              Once I find the hardware that does hardware decoding of 1080p h.264 in linux on a low power integrated graphics, I will be a happy camper.

              So, if you know of a setup that works perfectly, and uses an average of 60 watts (mostly idle of course), let me know.
              My 780G chipset mobo plays 720p and 1080p at 45 - 50% cpu on a 2.1ghz amd BE-2350 cpu. (To be honest it was until the latest 9.1 catalyst update, now its worse) Currently decoding is done by fglrx drivers and rendering by cpu hence the 40% utilization. Once both decode and render are done by GPU, it should be 5% cpu .. maybe 4-5 months down the line?

              Total power consumption of 780G mobo and cpu is pegged at below 50W max at peak utilization - if memory serves me right - from the various reviews I read in the past.


              Did you checkout the intel G45 chipset? OSS Xorg drivers that work Out-of-Box, is what I've heard.

              Last week AMD released internal documentation on 3D programming of their R6xx/R7xx graphics cards, so OSS drivers that use OpenGL for graphics rendering besides gaming may be out in a few months.

              Regards

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              • #37
                Originally posted by HwyXingFrog View Post
                Yeah, I've been changing so often trying to find the hardware that will suit my needs exactly. (Any old stuff I have just gets demoted to other pc's).

                Once I find the hardware that does hardware decoding of 1080p h.264 in linux on a low power integrated graphics, I will be a happy camper.

                So, if you know of a setup that works perfectly, and uses an average of 60 watts (mostly idle of course), let me know.
                I also have a 780g for my HTPC. I cracked it with constant issues with fglrx and bought a $30 Nvidia 8400GS and put it in the pcie slot. It runs a 4850e and a WD GreenPower 1tb drive with a Antec Earth Watts 380 watts power supply. It might use 15-20 watts more with the 8400GS, but it works without trouble. The 8400GS is a low power usage card, and the onboard video is no longer in use. Also Nvidia now supports VDPAU. I do not have anyway of measuring power usage, but it is now hassle free and running Ubuntu 8.10. I also have the sound running through the optical spdif from my Gigabyte motherboard, so sound decoding is done via my Yamaha amp. Configuring the sound was as simple as ticking digital out in the mixer.

                I cannot confirm 1080p as it is attached to a Samsung 32" LCD through the VGA connector at 1360x768 at 60Hz. All video and HD TV playback is smooth and flicker free.

                You could put in an Nvidia board and wait for fglrx to mature then pull it out. Mine has been in for a long time now.

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                • #38
                  Does anyone know if the Q45 chip-set ended-up using a cut down x4500 or just a straight x4500?

                  Here it seems to suggest x4500...
                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#GMA_X4500

                  Here it suggests x4500HD
                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ore_2_Chipsets

                  Also what's the actual difference between x4500 and x4500HD that enables the latter to do full 1080P playback?
                  Is it purely clock-speed?

                  Assuming that's all, would it be possible to OC Q45's x4500 to effectively turn it into a x4550HD?

                  Looking at Intel's site, it suggests the only difference is Intel Clear Video tech...
                  http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?id...26,35132,36524,
                  What does that actually mean in terms of GPU differences?

                  I also came across this which seems to suggest there's a Q45M which "does" incorporate CVT
                  http://www.foxconnchannel.com/produc...d=en-us0000435
                  I can't find anything about this "mythical" Q45M so perhaps this is just marketing rubbish.
                  Last edited by jalyst; 07-26-2009, 11:50 AM.

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                  • #39
                    got a convo going here for those that may be interested
                    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post16890172

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                    • #40
                      no one care to add some thoughts/advice?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by jalyst View Post
                        no one care to add some thoughts/advice?
                        My advice is if you need a HTPC, go NVidia. NVidia's VDPAU API for video acceleration is in boxee, mythtv and xmbc. With VDPAU, even the puny Intel Atom processor can handle 1080p.

                        My HTPC has a 45 watt AMD processor and an NVidia 8300 video chipset. I couldn't be happier with the set up.

                        My laptop has Intel graphics, and while I appreciate the open source goodness and I know it's going to better when Ubuntu 9.10 is released, right now it sucks.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by kxmas View Post
                          My advice is if you need a HTPC, go NVidia. NVidia's VDPAU API for video acceleration is in boxee, mythtv and xmbc. With VDPAU, even the puny Intel Atom processor can handle 1080p.

                          My HTPC has a 45 watt AMD processor and an NVidia 8300 video chipset. I couldn't be happier with the set up.

                          My laptop has Intel graphics, and while I appreciate the open source goodness and I know it's going to better when Ubuntu 9.10 is released, right now it sucks.

                          Sorry I don't think I previously mentioned that I'm building a NAS/"server of all trades"!
                          It may do some video decoding in the longer-term and may even become a MythTV back-end, but not initially.
                          And if I did go that route I would almost certainly add a discrete card anyway.

                          No I've got the following for a HEPC: p35 mobo, 2GB DDR2 800Mhz generic, E4200?*, and a discrete 8600gts.
                          Is this VDPAU compatible with older gen. cards such as the aforementioned?

                          I'm trying to determine whether the Intel or nV (730i) chipsets (I'm settled on Intel CPU) is the best route and if the former, the G45 or the Q45.

                          Just 'some' of the discussions I've been having ;-)
                          http://communities.intel.com/message/51414
                          http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post16890172
                          http://forums.smallnetbuilder.com/showthread.php?t=1942

                          For me IGP prowess is irrelevant, I care more about base performance without the influence of the IGP.
                          Raw Mem/CPU performance, & peripheral I/O performance for: SATA, USB, RAID, FW400 etc...


                          *i think? had the system for 18mth+ and done nothing with it!
                          Last edited by jalyst; 07-30-2009, 11:05 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by HwyXingFrog View Post
                            Once I find the hardware that does hardware decoding of 1080p h.264 in linux on a low power integrated graphics, I will be a happy camper. So, if you know of a setup that works perfectly, and uses an average of 60 watts (mostly idle of course), let me know.
                            ASRock NetTop ION 330

                            If you don't need a DVD/BD drive, then the Acer Aspire Revo 3600 with Linux is even cheaper and also has the nVidia 9400M chipset - full H.264, VC-1 and MPEG2 acceleration.

                            Both of these draw much less than 60W, I think 30-40W for the ASRock and 20-30W for the Acer. The video acceleration is brilliant, it drops CPU usage to ~0% even for 1080p.

                            Of course, this means using the nVidia blob otherwise you need a ton of patience.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by jalyst View Post
                              No I've got the following for a HEPC: p35 mobo, 2GB DDR2 800Mhz generic, E4200?*, and a discrete 8600gts.
                              Is this VDPAU compatible with older gen. cards such as the aforementioned?
                              According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU yes. However according to nVidia's readme file it has full H.264 acceleration, but only PARTIAL VC-1 acceleration. Only the VP3 cards have full VC-1 acceleration.

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                              • #45
                                Thanks for clarifying, the HTPC/PVR side of things isn't my focus atm, so I'll have to deal with limitations (if any) as they arise.
                                Last edited by jalyst; 08-04-2009, 01:26 AM.

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