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  • Windows 7 & Windows 8 vs. Ubuntu 13.04 & Fedora 18

    Phoronix: Windows 7 & Windows 8 vs. Ubuntu 13.04 & Fedora 18

    Last month Phoronix published Intel OpenGL benchmarks showing Windows 8 outperforming Ubuntu 13.04 with the latest Windows and Linux drivers from Intel. I also showed that even with the KDE and Xfce desktops rather than the default Unity/Compiz desktop to Ubuntu, Windows 8 still was faster on this Intel "Ivy Bridge" platform. The new benchmarks to share today from this Intel Ultrabook are the Windows 8 and Ubuntu 13.04 results but also with performance figures added in from Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Service Pack 1 x64 and Fedora 18.

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=18614

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    Ubuntu? Games only?

    Michael, I really appreciate those tests, but could you use a suckless distribution next time, which at least doesn't have an OpenGL-accelerated desktop and isn't bloated unlike Ubuntu?

    And while we're at it, why not start comparing the RAM-usage or other parameters apart from Game-FPS (Disk-Space, CPU-Idle, IO)?
    I can't speak for everybody, but these things would really be interesting for me!
    Last edited by frign; 04-05-2013, 04:12 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by frign View Post
      Michael, I really appreciate those tests, but could you use a suckless distribution next time, which at least doesn't have an OpenGL-accelerated desktop and isn't bloated?
      He showed KDE and XFCE tests last time and most of the results were negligible. I do think more games would be better, but he also explained why he doesn't do that either. I'm sure there's plenty of things that linux performs better in, and plenty where it's worse. Linux can't be good at everything, and neither can Windows.


      Honestly, considering how low of a priority intel's open source drivers are compared to Windows, I'd say they perform pretty nicely.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
        He showed KDE and XFCE tests last time and most of the results were negligible. I do think more games would be better, but he also explained why he doesn't do that either. I'm sure there's plenty of things that linux performs better in, and plenty where it's worse. Linux can't be good at everything, and neither can Windows.


        Honestly, considering how low of a priority intel's open source drivers are compared to Windows, I'd say they perform pretty nicely.
        Agreed. I edited my post to put in those other factors. I don't know why Michael is looking at games only, when there really are other things to consider, too

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        • #5
          Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
          Linux can't be good at everything, and neither can Windows.
          Linux can be good at everything, because it's not developed by a single company (and this Intel driver performs very well). It would be far better with Nvidia drivers, though. Furthermore, it's so sad phoronix didn't put more tests here.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by frign View Post
            Michael, I really appreciate those tests, but could you use a suckless distribution next time, which at least doesn't have an OpenGL-accelerated desktop and isn't bloated unlike Ubuntu?

            And while we're at it, why not start comparing the RAM-usage or other parameters apart from Game-FPS (Disk-Space, CPU-Idle, IO)?
            I can't speak for everybody, but these things would really be interesting for me!
            Do you know you can run the benchmarks yourself if you are really interested in those results?

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            • #7
              ... Not on Windows

              Originally posted by jayrulez View Post
              Do you know you can run the benchmarks yourself if you are really interested in those results?
              But not on Windows 8, which I refuse to buy or pirate because it is proprietary software and limits my and all it's users' freedom.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                Linux can be good at everything, because it's not developed by a single company (and this Intel driver performs very well). It would be far better with Nvidia drivers, though. Furthermore, it's so sad phoronix didn't put more tests here.
                Linux (the kernel) is not good at everything because there are certain trade offs made so that it can be good at some things.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by frign View Post
                  Michael, I really appreciate those tests, but could you use a suckless distribution next time, which at least doesn't have an OpenGL-accelerated desktop and isn't bloated unlike Ubuntu?[...]
                  He also showed results for fedora which does not use unity.
                  It's a pity though that ms windows is faster. :-(

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by frign View Post
                    But not on Windows 8, which I refuse to buy or pirate because it is proprietary software and limits my and all it's users' freedom.
                    Well more power to you dude. Stick it to those "freedom-limiting proprietary-software-supporting" corporations.

                    Why would you then be interested in windows 8 performance results since there is no conceivable way you'll use it?

                    Michael is not obligated to do it for you just because you refuse to do it.

                    It is not reasonable for you to make those demands or suggestions since you will be putting Michael in a position you do not want yourself to be in (that is using proprietary software that limits its users' freedom).

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                    • #11
                      No

                      Originally posted by jayrulez View Post
                      Well more power to you dude. Stick it to those "freedom-limiting proprietary-software-supporting" corporations.

                      Why would you then be interested in windows 8 performance results since there is no conceivable way you'll use it?

                      Michael is not obligated to do it for you just because you refuse to do it.

                      It is not reasonable for you to make those demands or suggestions since you will be putting Michael in a position you do not want yourself to be in (that is using proprietary software that limits its users' freedom).
                      Thanks for your smart response.

                      Knowing about Window's performance might help in spotting bottlenecks in Linux, because, granted, it is still the OS with the biggest corporate support today.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by frign View Post
                        Thanks for your smart response.

                        Knowing about Window's performance might help in spotting bottlenecks in Linux, because, granted, it is still the OS with the biggest corporate support today.
                        Wut?

                        I won't even bother with trying to get you to make that statement make sense.

                        However, going by what you said, it would be a waste of time and the results would be meaningless to you since you are not contributing to Linux graphics infrastructure.

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                        • #13
                          Not really

                          Originally posted by jayrulez View Post
                          Wut?

                          I won't even bother with trying to get you to make that statement make sense.

                          However, going by what you said, it would be a waste of time and the results would be meaningless to you since you are not contributing to Linux graphics infrastructure.
                          It is not as if the results were only available to me. I wasn't talking about the Graphics Stack only, it is about the many aspects and possibly at least one free software project I am also involved in.

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                          • #14
                            15.31.x drivers

                            From the article:

                            In ensuring a fair and accurate comparison of "Windows vs. Linux" performance for Intel OpenGL graphics, Windows 7 Professional SP1 was installed on the same ASUS Ultrabook using the latest Intel Windows 7 x64 driver, which was version 15.31.3.64.3071 from late March.
                            As was shared recently at the GDC2013 conference, Intel Windows driver developers are also reportedly working on a more-optimized Ivy Bridge driver for release soon. It will be interesting to see how much faster the forthcoming Intel Windows driver release is for our benchmarks, but Intel has reported that it will be a measurable gain.
                            From what I read on this site the 10% improvement on the windows drivers was suppose to be in driver 15.31.x

                            So if that's the case, the linux drivers are in pretty good shape.

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                            • #15
                              Back on topic

                              Hi everyone. I just registered here after years of lurking because there is a question I find important to ask, which is not clear to me from the article:
                              Is S3TC activated in any of the linux configurations? Is any sort of libtxc_dxtn activated (either for S3TC or S2TC)?
                              What about floating-point textures?

                              From my experience this makes a world of difference in some games. This is very noticeable for example on Warcraft 3 under wine using the opengl renderer, on both r600g (Mobility Radeon 3650) and i915 (the one in ASUS EeePC 901), and also noticeable, but to a lesser extent on Neverwinter Nights (native port, never tried it with wine).

                              Thank you.

                              PS - Michael, thank you for all the regular benchmarks.

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