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  • #16
    Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
    And the most uninteresting and irrelevant graphic chip.
    Intel HD 4000 is fastest GPU with non-crappy open source drivers.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
      It doesn't matter if they're using OpenGL or directx. Only performance matters in this case. However, to see really fair benchmarks we probably have to wait for TF2 benchmarks running on nvidia hardware. Btw. I wonder how much $$ Phoronix gets from sponsored titles by craple and m$?
      Wrong. This was a driver comparison, that's why it's crucial that the games run the same openGL codepaths under both OSes.
      Otherwise factors such as better DirectX implementation of the same game would have tainted the benchmark.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by M1kkko View Post
        Alright, so you decided to do these benchmarks using the obviously most relevant and interesting titles for PC gaming right now available, such as Nexuiz, Xonotic, and OpenArena, and by no means uninteresting and irrelevant titles such as Team Fortress 2, Unigine OilRush, Serious Sam 3, Counter Strike: Source and the like.
        It doesn't make sense to benchmark using games which are designed for discrete GPU on Intel GPU. If you are serious gamer you will need discrete GPU anyway.
        Last edited by JS987; 03-21-2013, 09:57 AM.

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        • #19
          People start thinking for a moment..

          1) Valve DO NOT ALLOW for benchmarks of Steam nor games on Steam for Linux... RTFE(ULA). Its beta. So no nice TF2 benchmarks in near future...

          2) Valve support UBUNTU, in STOCK configuration. Benchmarking stock Ubu vs stock Win8 make sense.

          3) Installing another DE/tweaking Unity/Compiz is easy, so people wanting to get most perf will do it. But general benchmarks should be useful for general audience :P

          4) You can rerun those tests on your configurations, and upload to openbenchmarking.org Show the results, instead of molesting poor keyboards

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          • #20
            Originally posted by JS987 View Post
            It doesn't make sense to benchmark using games which are designed for discrete GPU on Intel GPU. If you are serious gamer you will need discrete GPU anyway.
            Still AAA publishers/game dev do want to target Intel GPU's, as those are popular. So good results on Intel GPU are very good news for everybody (especially if you just need to update your gpu drivers..).

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            • #21
              Originally posted by birdie View Post
              It's quite possible Linux/Open Source Intel drivers will never reach the performance level of Windows drivers, because the latter are close source, thus Intel can secretly cheat in Windows but they cannot cheat in Linux, 'cause their secrets/hacks/subterfuges will be instantly unearthed by their competitors and journalists.
              I find that really hard to believe. If Intel is already developing drivers for their hardware, aren't they already giving away all the details?

              You are right if you are talking about specific parts of a video card like third-party video decoders and such.

              And besides, optimizing a driver is not cheating. Intel is just not putting as much energy in optimizing the Linux drivers.

              And what is wrong with placing a dirty hack in the driver you develop on your own? Practically speaking, nouveau was full of hacks since the developers were still figuring things out on how to handle it. After a big rewrite in the kernel, libdrm and mesa things are starting to look 'nice'. A very nice example is this commit (link!). It is a hack because it will not work under all states of the world. But it works!

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              Originally posted by przemoli View Post
              People start thinking for a moment..

              1) Valve DO NOT ALLOW for benchmarks of Steam nor games on Steam for Linux... RTFE(ULA). Its beta. So no nice TF2 benchmarks in near future...

              2) Valve support UBUNTU, in STOCK configuration. Benchmarking stock Ubu vs stock Win8 make sense.

              3) Installing another DE/tweaking Unity/Compiz is easy, so people wanting to get most perf will do it. But general benchmarks should be useful for general audience :P

              4) You can rerun those tests on your configurations, and upload to openbenchmarking.org Show the results, instead of molesting poor keyboards
              Przemoli for president

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              • #22
                Originally posted by przemoli View Post
                People start thinking for a moment..

                1) Valve DO NOT ALLOW for benchmarks of Steam nor games on Steam for Linux... RTFE(ULA). Its beta. So no nice TF2 benchmarks in near future...

                2) Valve support UBUNTU, in STOCK configuration. Benchmarking stock Ubu vs stock Win8 make sense.

                3) Installing another DE/tweaking Unity/Compiz is easy, so people wanting to get most perf will do it. But general benchmarks should be useful for general audience :P

                4) You can rerun those tests on your configurations, and upload to openbenchmarking.org Show the results, instead of molesting poor keyboards
                First comment you posted in this topic I fully agree with.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by przemoli View Post
                  2) Valve support UBUNTU, in STOCK configuration. Benchmarking stock Ubu vs stock Win8 make sense.
                  Yes, but the article sounds like it is supposed to be a driver benchmark. So it would still be nice to know if this is the best the driver can do. So maybe additionally, ubuntu with openbox or so and windows without aero could be benchmarked (can aero be disabled in windows 8?)

                  Originally posted by JS987 View Post
                  It doesn't make sense to benchmark using games which are designed for discrete GPU on Intel GPU. If you are serious gamer you will need discrete GPU anyway.
                  By the way, Team Fortress 2 and Counter Strike Source and Half Life 2 Deathmatch run pretty good on intel. Only serious sam 3 is not really optimized for it (and not officially supported at the moment).

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by przemoli View Post
                    2) Valve support UBUNTU, in STOCK configuration. Benchmarking stock Ubu vs stock Win8 make sense.

                    3) Installing another DE/tweaking Unity/Compiz is easy, so people wanting to get most perf will do it. But general benchmarks should be useful for general audience
                    This actually doesn't make any sense. This benchmark was neither to compare Steam nor Steam games with their Windows counterpart, so your argument #2 is irrelevant. So is argument number three, since this was not a benchmark about squeezing the last bit performance out of a DE/WM.
                    This was a comparison for OpenGL rendering on Windows and Linux on Intel hardware. If you can't tell if a lower performance is caused by a well known, but unpredictable, performance regression in Unity or if lower performance is indeed caused by the Linux Intel driver the whole article is missing the point totally and therefore nothing but a waste of time.
                    The astonishing thing is that this was told to Michael several times, but it seems that he does not understand that.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Vim_User View Post
                      This actually doesn't make any sense. This benchmark was neither to compare Steam nor Steam games with their Windows counterpart, so your argument #2 is irrelevant. So is argument number three, since this was not a benchmark about squeezing the last bit performance out of a DE/WM.
                      This was a comparison for OpenGL rendering on Windows and Linux on Intel hardware. If you can't tell if a lower performance is caused by a well known, but unpredictable, performance regression in Unity or if lower performance is indeed caused by the Linux Intel driver the whole article is missing the point totally and therefore nothing but a waste of time.
                      The astonishing thing is that this was told to Michael several times, but it seems that he does not understand that.
                      I see what you mean but he brought up his argument #2 in response to his argument #1, so you should probably look at them as 1A and 1B. As for argument #3, that is relevant. A good benchmark will test all major conditions. With your argument, that would mean testing different screen resolutions doesn't matter either. Previous tests have shown that Unity has had a pretty drastic performance drop compared to other DEs in multiple types of tests. AFAIK, compositing doesn't turn off when you run full-screen programs, which drains performance. Windows 8 most likely disables Aero during fullscreen programs, which gives it an automatic lead. Unlike Windows, Linux isn't a 1-size-fits-all OS, so comparing 1 variation of it isn't enough of a test when it comes to a test like this.

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                      • #26
                        Yep, this thread is troll
                        1) Like its a big surprise, that windows is faster in everything than linux... lioooool
                        2) Linux cant be really tested for gaming, because it doesnt have any real top games to be tested, same few shitty low level games are being tested like for 50 years... who fkin cares about ice age gaming in linux...
                        2.1) steam for linux still didnt do much in linux gaming for now, it still doesnt have any great games like "call of duty : blackcops 2" or "need for speed most wanted 2012", just some primitives game for babies... for this situation to change, it will take many years, i mean, it will take at least 10 years for first big games to appear in linux, and it will be just a few top games, not like hundreds of games that are available for windows right now
                        3) linux isnt developed for being number one, it is made for learning purposes, so the situation about gaming in linux wont change.

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                        • #27
                          Great benchmark Michael! I agree with others that the games benchmarked (Open Arena, Xonotic, etc) are very relevant to a driver comparison, because you want to keep the same codepath (openGL) and reduce the number of different variables as much as possible when looking at driver performance between two distinct platforms.

                          Also, to those saying Intel Gfx are irrelevant... Intel has the best OSS graphics drivers of any gfx manufacturer. Would you prefer to see a comparison of Radeon OSS vs Windows Catalyst? We all know who would win that one.

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                          • #28
                            ofcource even windows 8 has better performance than ubuntu. ubuntu is slow as hell compared to other distros and specially source based ones like gentoo.
                            i get over 3 times better graphics performance in gentoo than on ubuntu, so no. this test dosent show at all that windows 8 has better performance than linux. only that it has better than ubuntu.

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                            • #29
                              As shown in other more recent Phoronix tests, most of the Unity/Compiz overhead has been eliminated with the latest Raring packages... As used in this benchmark. But for those in disbelief that the Linux OpenGL performance can lose to Windows, I'll happily run some more tests from Xfce and KDE on this laptop to show those results...
                              Michael Larabel
                              http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by startzz View Post
                                Yep, this thread is troll
                                1) Like its a big surprise, that windows is faster in everything than linux... lioooool
                                2) Linux cant be really tested for gaming, because it doesnt have any real top games to be tested, same few shitty low level games are being tested like for 50 years... who fkin cares about ice age gaming in linux...
                                2.1) steam for linux still didnt do much in linux gaming for now, it still doesnt have any great games like "call of duty : blackcops 2" or "need for speed most wanted 2012", just some primitives game for babies... for this situation to change, it will take many years, i mean, it will take at least 10 years for first big games to appear in linux, and it will be just a few top games, not like hundreds of games that are available for windows right now
                                3) linux isnt developed for being number one, it is made for learning purposes, so the situation about gaming in linux wont change.
                                Oh great funkstar has a twin troll - startzz. There should be something where if someone wants to create a username, they aren't allowed to have the word "star" in their name. BTW, I don't see how you think linux's games are "shitty and low level" when you play non-existent games like "Black Cops 2" lmao.


                                @Michael
                                If you decide to test XFCE or KDE (personally I think XFCE is a better test, even though I like KDE more) and people still don't stop whining about your work then just put them on a "graylist" where you don't have to ban them but you know to automatically dismiss their comments as "insatiable".
                                Last edited by schmidtbag; 03-21-2013, 12:12 PM.

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