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  • #46
    Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
    when I install a linux distro it comes with nouveau drivers and then I have the choice to install proprietary drivers, which I have to download from their site etc etc
    Maybe on your distro. Not on mine.

    Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
    when you install android 4 or whatevers I NEVER once saw people having to install proprietary drivers
    You never installed Android then. If you want to install Cyanogenmod or other custom ROM, you *do* need to take all sorts of proprietary drivers (for graphics, RIL, sensors, even wifi) from the original ROM that was on the phone.

    Next time I suggest you inform yourself better before calling someone a troll.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Gusar View Post
      You never installed Android then. If you want to install Cyanogenmod or other custom ROM, you *do* need to take all sorts of proprietary drivers (for graphics, RIL, sensors, even wifi) from the original ROM that was on the phone.

      Next time I suggest you inform yourself better before calling someone a troll.
      Hardly any cell phone here without a requirement for proprietary driver for DSP or modem.
      I think certain people would like to spy on you, hence the situation.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
        so if android is open source and the drivers are already in there, how are the drivers not open source???
        Android drivers used in production tend to have an open source kernel driver plus proprietary userspace drivers. There are exceptions (open source stacks for AMD GPUs and for Intel's own GPUs) but I don't think those are shipping in any products today.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by hoohoo View Post
          That explains why M$ is dipping it's toes in the ARM space?
          So that it can try to put a chokehold on Linux advancing to ARM any further and discouraging makers from using OSS on ARM, but I'm sure that'll fail as many makers using ARM will give a big fat middle finger to M$.

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          • #50
            no actually I don't install drivers since the rom's you use are for that specific model.

            e.g. when you search for android 4 or whatever for your specific model you see, download, root and then flash cyannogenmod or whatever samsungs2blabla


            So no I didn't know there were proprietary drivers for it


            but the proprietary drivers if they work on android they work on linux too, right?

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
              no actually I don't install drivers since the rom's you use are for that specific model.
              Now ask yourself why they're "for that specific model". You personally didn't install any driver, but someone did. The person who made the package you downloaded took all the blobs from the original ROM and put it in that package. And believe me, they had "fun" doing that. Sometimes crazy hacks are needed, like binary patching.

              Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
              but the proprietary drivers if they work on android they work on linux too, right?
              No. Android doesn't use X. Then there's some other reasons why they don't work, but that would be the biggest.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by frantaylor View Post
                This time they've monopolized Intel's engineering time, preventing their competitors from even developing products in the first place.
                Intel put their resources where they can make the most money. Sorry, but I fail to see the problem here.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by gamerk2 View Post
                  Intel put their resources where they can make the most money. Sorry, but I fail to see the problem here.
                  Problem already discussed.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by DanL View Post
                    No, you don't do that, especially when recent history has proven otherwise (Poulsbo). If you do that, then you're lazy and/or ignorant. Just because you want hardware decisions to be so simple that you can go to a store (where Linux is probably a foreign concept to employees) and buy something based on a shiny sticker and a vague "brand name" concept, doesn't mean that's how it is. IIRC, you made the same argument back in a Poulsbo/Cedarview discussion, and I can kind of see how a non-techie could get swindled. However, there's no excuse this time. If Intel fooled folks once, shame on Intel. If the folks get fooled again...
                    Hi. When I bought my tablet, I didn't know that Oak Trail translates to GMA600 which translates to Poulsbo which translates to poor driver support, because that is not information that is easy to find. And confusing to begin with.

                    That said, the OSS driver (gma500_gfx) has improved a lot lately. Bug fixing is fast, too. I'll have to test the next kernel once I have some time to do so.

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