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  • #31
    Originally posted by kraftman View Post
    Exactly. It was always about some hidden and secret optimizations in fglrx that allows it to perform better, so... with the access to Left4Dead source code they can optimize radeon open source driver to perform exactly like fglrx or even better, right?
    I think he's talking abot being time fo AMD to up the ante in respect to their open source drivers effort in general. Steam for Linux is coming, we know SteamBox is coming and AMD, who is already out of the high end CPU marked, and low end Andoid market cannot afford to stay out of another market, although I do not believe that they see it that way. I cheered for AMD for a long time, but they are always late to the game. By the time they realize that they need a good linux driver and that they have two that are suck, Intel will already have cought up in the integrated GPU performance (which is allmost there anyway) and be lightyears ahead in the driver department.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
      Isn't games-related performance issues already addressed by Unity 6.0 release?
      Yes, and that is already in Ubuntu 12.10. But it also needs a new compiz release (trunk has the fixes), which is coming soon. Some of the stuff may be backported to Ubuntu 12.04 later.

      Originally posted by Michael View Post
      As I've said for months, the stuff Valve has going on will make or break the Linux desktop for good. The stuff they have planned is really great.
      Exactly. And this is why I don't want to hear any more people saying "stop with the useless posts, he just wants money, and no one cares about gaming anyway".
      Last edited by d2kx; 07-20-2012, 09:31 AM.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by kraftman View Post
        Exactly. It was always about some hidden and secret optimizations in fglrx that allows it to perform better, so... with the access to Left4Dead source code they can optimize radeon open source driver to perform exactly like fglrx or even better, right?
        There is no secret that make things fast, fast driver is the outcome of manythings but certainly not some secret things ....

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        • #34
          Hm, they're working together with Intel and also already contacted Nouveau devs?

          I wonder af they also got in contact with AMD or Radeon devs.

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          • #35
            Well, it makes sense for them to support open source drivers.

            Older hardware support. This is important when driver updates are only for those who have the latest graphic cards. This makes it harder to squash bugs, since it could be the drivers fault, and if the drivers aren't unified in version then it's a painful process to fix issues.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Figueiredo View Post
              I think he's talking abot being time fo AMD to up the ante in respect to their open source drivers effort in general.
              Yep, I meant that AMD have (actually _HAVE_) to participate. It's their turn in a game. Hey, bridgman, what AMD can show us?

              Originally posted by kraftman View Post
              Exactly. It was always about some hidden and secret optimizations in fglrx that allows it to perform better, so... with the access to Left4Dead source code they can optimize radeon open source driver to perform exactly like fglrx or even better, right?
              But I also like kraftman's idea .

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              • #37
                Originally posted by d2kx View Post
                Exactly. And this is why I don't want to hear any more people saying "stop with the useless posts, he just wants money, and no one cares about gaming anyway".
                Gaming is the soul reason why most people own faster hardware. PERIOD! We could could all be using Pentium 200 Mhz MMX to do non media related tasks. The reason people own super fast computers today is because they either wanna watch a HD video or play a game. If you don't do either, and you're not a graphics artist of some sort, then you don't need a Quad core 3 Ghz CPU.

                Gaming has been the driving force for hardware on the PC. Both Intel and AMD cater strongly to them. A lot of people that don't use Linux, do so because of the inability to play the latest games at max frames per second, with the exception of those who need to run specific applications.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by entropy View Post
                  On the other hand, the title is a bit misleading here IMHO.
                  If they want to go get the intel GPUs into play - and Valve surely does - then they
                  have to deal with an open-source driver. There is no other driver.
                  I don't think you read the article attentively enough...

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                    I don't think you read the article attentively enough...
                    Well, could be that I was too focused on the intel open-source driver while reading the article.
                    At the latest some post of this thread made clear Valve cares about all (relevant) F/OSS GPU drivers.

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                    • #40
                      All these things Valve is doing is very exciting.

                      But it also kinda makes me kinda worried. Despite their enthusiasm, their work on Linux is still considered to be an investment. What if they don't get a lot of returns from this investment? There is no guarantee that people will be flocking to Linux after a few games get ported. What if despite all their work people still cling to windows and the revenue they get from Linux still ends up being too small?

                      I think if that were to happen, it would really kill game companies' support for Linux.

                      But I'm just being pessimistic here. Go Valve!

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by asdx
                        When are we going to have news from AMD/Nvidia on this subject?
                        Is valve so big that might "force" Nvidia to help???

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by asdx
                          Agreed. Let's only hope that the open source drivers (intel, nouveau, radeon) will get better and more robust and that Valve will help the developers with whatever is necessary to get there.

                          Any ideas about Mesa and the S3TC problem? Will that get some attention too?

                          I can't wait to see what Nvidia response will be after Valve approaches them.
                          New .GIF with Gabe doing "Fuck you NVidia!" ?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by asdx
                            When are we going to have news from AMD/Nvidia on this subject?
                            Unfortunately we don't even have a public outlet for nvidia anymore. :soapbox: (that's another thread)

                            Unless Michael has an established channel with some of the devs and can pick their brains?

                            Obviously any business that wants to survive has to be one step ahead of market changes and public sentiment. What's clear here is that Valve isn't just throwing a Linux port to appease the ankle-biters and keep them sedated for awhile; instead they seem pretty committed to something bigger.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by orome View Post
                              Learning new stuff every day...
                              Would the result be something other than obfuscated unusable/unmantainable mess?
                              Depends on the NDA, I guess

                              But Nvidia already sent docs under NDA to a FOSS dev that implemented a ddx for X. The problem is that it was a long time ago It was for the first nvidia GPU! One of the few currently unsupported by Nouveau at all.

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                              • #45
                                Valve helping Intel get their driver up to snuff makes perfect sense and is a great win for the Intel team. But I don't see how supporting AMD and Nouveau open drivers would be worth the duplicative effort unless they are building a open "Steambox". Then it would make sense only to target specific pieces of hardware (AMD or Intel hardware w/ doc's) to develop, mass produce, and market. Even if Valve got Nvidia to release documentation with a NDA for Nouveau, the devs would still say fuck you Nvidia...

                                Anyways I can't wait to truly unleash my 670GTX for more than Wine games (WoW 2.4.3 and Diablo 3) and a hand full of native games (Trine 2/Oilrush on max settings look and play wonderfully)

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