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  • Intel Winning Over NVIDIA For Linux Enthusiasts

    Phoronix: Intel Winning Over NVIDIA For Linux Enthusiasts

    It seems that among Linux enthusiasts, Intel is gaining market-share thanks to their increasingly powerful integrated graphics backed by a fully open-source driver while NVIDIA is losing ground...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTEzMzg

  • #2
    Its true, intel currently needs only faster hardware.

    AMD could back up easily if they would target speed and expand development base by any means possible and DROP fglrx.

    Bad times for nvidia.

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    • #3
      And once again, NVIDIA doesn't care about desktop users. They care about professional Quadro gpus for professional companies at hollywood that use linux to do rendering and all those fancy stuff. And I can do plenty of other examples.

      Nvidia has only engineers, and engineers generally don't give a shit about linux, open source, gpl and all these "socialist" concepts. They do what they are paid for = a good driver for the platform they target.

      All the rest is just "ok, you get even support for geforce because that's fine". I'm still not sure why everyone is unable to understand this.

      Anyways, yes maybe nvidia is loosing market under Linux for the "desktop", but I could reply that there isn't any official Linux desktop market. It's business people.

      Intel on the other hand, has another history on the background and thinks in a different way. But Intel doesn't have the know how NVIDIA has with GPU, so a comparison is pointless.

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      • #4
        Well nVidia will eventually open up their drivers and gain wider acceptance or fade into obscurity in the linux landscape. Ultimately it is their choice.

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        • #5
          lol @ this article

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          • #6
            NVIDIA hurting own Linux market?

            In my view, yes they do. However, I expect that they could not care less because they still have the MSW world to serve.
            That they lose orders of the mentioned magnitude is one thing - they compensate it with low cost, albeit inferior, products in the short term.

            That said, they might come to grips with reality that MSW is losing ground too and that more and more people are realizing that closed-source is not sustainable in the (very) long run. But of course, if NVIDIA is like any other US company, there focus is only short term - for stock holders mainly. Delivering real value to the world (sustainable growth) does not pay off in the short term.

            I really liked CUDA and NVIDIA (stable speedy driver), but suspect I switch to ATI in the future. Why not Intel? Well like to use AMD CPU's until they can not compete enough with Intel anymore - might be very soon now.

            Frans.

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            • #7
              Linux can be heckled and belittled by NVidia and AMD. But I have no doubt at all that within the next 5 years some Chinese or Korean company is going to come out with a discreet graphics card that is going to have open source drivers and aim it right at the Linux market. The American based companies will stomp their feet and piss their pants while looking for the government to do some thing so that they don't have to compete. NVidia and AMD have gotten fat, lazy and stupid due to a lack of competition. But like every where else, competition is coming.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by bulletxt View Post
                And once again, NVIDIA doesn't care about desktop users. They care about professional Quadro gpus for professional companies at hollywood that use linux to do rendering and all those fancy stuff. And I can do plenty of other examples.

                Nvidia has only engineers, and engineers generally don't give a shit about linux, open source, gpl and all these "socialist" concepts. They do what they are paid for = a good driver for the platform they target.

                All the rest is just "ok, you get even support for geforce because that's fine". I'm still not sure why everyone is unable to understand this.

                Anyways, yes maybe nvidia is loosing market under Linux for the "desktop", but I could reply that there isn't any official Linux desktop market. It's business people.

                Intel on the other hand, has another history on the background and thinks in a different way. But Intel doesn't have the know how NVIDIA has with GPU, so a comparison is pointless.
                It IS business, and generally you don't want customers avoiding you. Considering how much engineering, time, and money goes into a desktop graphics card that ends up retailing for $500 or better, maybe a diversified approach to selling it isn't such a bad idea. If not caring makes good business sense, then why do AMD and Intel see things differently? Of all companies, nVidia needs graphics to succeed the most, as they are getting squeezed out of base systems by their competitors.

                Personally, I just go with Intel graphics because the support is really easy and I don't game on my machine. This is a big change for me, as I used to buy AMD CPUs and whatever was a good GPU at the time.

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                • #9
                  The first thing I see in the graphic is that almost everything is blue or red. How are we supposed to distinguish nVidia and Innotech / VMWare and Cirrus?

                  And also: ATI is also losing a LOT of market share that is not handed back to AMD, so it is BOTH ATI and nVidia losing market share here...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                    AMD could back up easily if they would target speed and expand development base by any means possible and DROP fglrx.
                    I'd really like to see that happen.

                    What do you think? Will the open source AMD driver catch up before Intel's graphics devices become comparably fast?

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                    • #11
                      I really don't see why people think that the nvidia blob is so great. I have to use it at work on suse 12.1 with an old geforce and a tesla in it and it restarts itself and X multiple times a day...
                      Well, maybe others had more luck.

                      Oss drivers all the way! (My AMD laptop is more stable than my workstation, go figure.)

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                      • #12
                        It's not about driver support

                        It's not because of driver support, it's because there are no games coming out that are pushing hardware. Just look at Windows, there are no games coming out that justify a $200 video card let alone a $400 one. I've got dual 460gtx graphics cards, but honestly with all settings maxxed at 2560x1600 I only need one card in my system under Windows to guarantee a smooth framerate in any game I can buy right now. There's nothing out there that pushes the hardware. Intel is good enough. The fact that my macbook pro laptop's intel 3000HD gpu can emulate a nintendo Gamecube or Wii properly just illustrates it further. Full 3d hardware acceleration of last generation's gaming console on an integrated GPU. There is a very very small market for fantastically detailed video games now. The entire market has shifted to lower powered consoles and mobile devices with more casual games so it's no wonder that Intel is doing well. It comes on your motherboard, and it Just Works TM. Nvidia/AMD have always had to upsell you on their products. PCs are becoming more off the shelf single units so the high powered gpu vendors are feeling the squeeze. It's why Nvidia in particular have thrown themselves into mobile. The writing was on the wall for PC graphics boards for the last 5 years. PCs "revival" is going to get squashed as soon as the next gen consoles come out in 2013/2014.

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                        • #13
                          I'm one

                          Just ordered a new laptop and I had been thinking about getting one with optimus assuming that things worked now. The recent publicity was enough to make sure I got a machine without Nvidia. (My first two laptops both had Nvidia. My third and fourth now don't.)

                          On my desktop I have been all Nvidia for over a decade, usually replacing my card every 18 months or so. I don't remember when I did the last replacement. This has mostly been due to the model numbering as they suddenly started blasting through numbers and letters making it virtually impossible to tell the relative performance of two cards. (eg how much faster is a 200XY compared to 9000XYZ). On my next mobo replacement I am going Intel for the GPU.

                          Even on the Android side one needs to be careful. I was very surprised with the Nexus 7 being Nvidia based. I saw some XDA content where they said that TI's OMAP platform is the only one that is all open source drivers. (Contrast with Nvidia and Qualcomm.) So guess what platform any Android devices will be that I buy next.

                          Of course it is dangerous to extrapolate from a sample of one, but I do know that I have personally cost Nvidia hundreds of dollars including the above. And that the chances of them getting a cent from me in the future currently looks to be zero.

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                          • #14
                            I think the dynamics of the general popularity is somewhat interesting as it is a mix of interacting factors.
                            The below might hold not only for hardware but for things like distributions as well.

                            When chosing a product or project,
                            Some chose from a technical point, what company has the 'best' product in benchmarks and such.
                            Some chose from a meritocracy point, what company contributes the most to the projects they care about.
                            Some chose from an image point, what company seem to be generally alright.
                            Some chose from a recommendation point, what company friends and coworkers recommend.
                            ... and there are sure to be other viewpoints that I have missed...

                            So what is interesting is how the groups effect each other and if this discovered change in the second group will have an effect on the total popularity in the long run.

                            I guess some of it depends on if we are willing to speak up and if others are willing to listen...

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                            • #15
                              Awesome chart. Four shades of blue and two shades of red. Hang on; let me get my laptop with the Pantone color sensor to detect the subtle variances that my eyes can't distinguish.

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