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  • #31
    Originally posted by RealNC View Post
    No, it didn't. It's just a language. We're talking about the GUI and other APIs here. For example, a Java application you wrote for a non-Android device will not run on Android, because there you have to use the Android API.
    How's that any different from Mono here? Miguel's post in TFA explicitly says how Mono gives access to the platform-specific APIs. Read = the same GUI code won't run on both android and another platform.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
      MIT/X11, LGPL and proprietary.
      You are missing patents here, without which you won't be able to use mono - at all. Crying out loud its opensource whilst having knife razor right at throat is psychotic.

      Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
      Not portable enough: it doesn't run on iOS.
      It runs on iOS - if Apple allows it to run. Same with Mono/Net @ iOS4+.

      Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
      Besides, Oracle is ten times worse than Microsoft.
      Im not specialist in sorts of sh*t, but at least Oracle does offer much more opensource solutions and input.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by RealNC View Post
        No, it didn't. It's just a language. We're talking about the GUI and other APIs here. For example, a Java application you wrote for a non-Android device will not run on Android, because there you have to use the Android API.
        Its a crossplatform bytecode language, NET is just a clone.But does Java require you to have windows executables everywhere?

        Also, Java is full-blown platform, where MONO is just bugtesting for .net. It is so much better other write code for Microsoft for free than to hire indian or chinese guys for rice, no? MONO is modern outsourcing strategy from Microsoft. Why would .net then still exist?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
          You are missing patents here, without which you won't be able to use mono - at all. Crying out loud its opensource whilst having knife razor right at throat is psychotic.
          Ever heard of [url=http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry-standard/oracles-silence-google-lawsuit-java-process-raise-eyebrows-467]Oracle's patent lawsuit[/quote] against Google over Java?

          It runs on iOS - if Apple allows it to run. Same with Mono/Net @ iOS4+.
          Download link or it didn't happen.

          Im not specialist in sorts of sh*t, but at least Oracle does offer much more opensource solutions and input.
          Does 'LibreOffice' ring a bell?

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          • #35
            Its a crossplatform bytecode language, NET is just a clone.
            Oh, lovely!

            Exactly like Python, Ruby and the rest, right?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
              Can someone please explain why portability is considered a bad thing now?
              'Now' is an incorect word. Probably most people know m$ tries to be always incompatible with others. NOW, when we have a wonderfull, portable toolkit - Qt, m$ tries to replace it by its own, slow, memory hungry, winblows oriented and crippled products.

              We *finally* have a language that runs on all handsets and desktops. It's a first, it rocks and it's somehow considered... a bad thing?

              In other words, what the hell are you smoking?
              You meant Qt, didn't you? Because I can't imagine smart people want to support our competitor crappy language.

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              • #37
                Btw. who cares if something runs on ios or not? It's enough Qt to run on Android and MeeGo.

                PS Written from Android smartphone by very happy Android user.

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                • #38
                  Well, Miguel has a product to sell. So unsurprisingly he grabs every opportunity to pitch his product. I doubt it will succeed though. Most Android users are not waiting for Mono or Qt or whatever cross-platform mobile solution. Perhaps some developers are, but good luck competing with all the Java devs out there. So far C#/Mono's cross-platform marketing blah-blah has been unconvincing and C# has failed to catch on on anything but MS platform.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                    Btw. who cares if something runs on ios or not? It's enough Qt to run on Android and MeeGo.

                    PS Written from Android smartphone by very happy Android user.
                    C++ for mobile apps is even dumber than Objective-C.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                      Ever heard of Oracle's patent lawsuit against Google over Java?
                      Yes of course! Google used Java in Android, which in turn was created by Sun and Sun was ok with that, but here comes Oracle and wants a bit of cake that was opensource. Google denies and wins - regular corporate stuff.

                      Its just far cry compared to MS behavior. Imagine Android use .net or mono! There won't be android right now!

                      Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                      Download link or it didn't happen.
                      http://tech.gaeatimes.com/index.php/...ava-on-iphone/


                      Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                      Does 'LibreOffice' ring a bell?
                      No, it does not.
                      Sun was selling cut-down but working version of StarOffice for decades (OOo).
                      Oracle decided to control the whole even more, by preventing various "Editions" like Go-OOo, InfraOOo etc and hence sell more copies of StarOffice.

                      People disagreed and Oracle did not prevent them even a bit to fork it into LibreOffice.

                      Now, what can you say about Microsoft? A free copy of Word? Possibly without Ads? How about setting something proprietary as standard and providing no free editor so everyone is FORCED to by from Microsoft? Same show they do with DirectX now. You're fun of slavery or I misunderstand something?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                        Sun was selling cut-down but working version of StarOffice for decades (OOo).
                        *stupid edit limit*
                        Sun was releasing cut-down but working version of StarOffice for decades(OOo).

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                          C++ for mobile apps is even dumber than Objective-C.
                          C++ is definitely way more powerful than C#
                          Unless you abuse it, which C# & Java were designed to prevent in first place.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                            C++ for mobile apps is even dumber than Objective-C.
                            I guess it's "dumb" to be able to port your C++ app that runs on Linux, OS X and Windows to a mobile without having to rewrite a million lines of code in another language.

                            Yes. Very dumb. Obviously, you never needed to do anything like that. I guess that's the reason you make uninformed statements like that without having a clue what you're talking about.

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                            • #44
                              What a prick

                              Here's the part that really pisses me off...

                              Miguel de Icaza himself was the person who started the majortiy of the GNOME vs. KDE war when he went on a rant about how KDE was tainted for being based on QT. Fast foward a few years and he starts trying to get .Net on Linux with Mono. Then he starts the wine-doors project. Then he embraced OOXML, and now this...

                              What the fuck happened to all that GPL zealotry you aimed at KDE???

                              In short... I've never liked this guy. He's always been a complete fraud and nothing more than an overly ambitious opportunist. People said I was crazy or paranoid when I used to criticize him for this type of BS - well let's see people defend him after this one.

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                              • #45
                                Mono is worthless

                                Java is about the only thing that will produce a binary which runs on Linux, Windows, or etc.

                                When Debian finally drops the hammer on Mono it will be a good day. Until then we're stuck with it in Ubuntu.



                                Too many people want to live in the lime-light and not promote the mission.

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