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  • #16
    Originally posted by grege View Post
    I have a suggestion, Intel should buy the company that made the GMA500, and then open source the hardware. I am sure it would be petty cash to them.
    I'd say the recent raise of Intel participation in ImgTec is not totally innocent...

    Originally posted by airlied View Post
    where did Ubuntu say no? they've said yes to this in the past, they'd gladly bend over and take the blob if Intel would give it to them.

    Intel have no interest in giving it to them despite Canonical asking for it.
    Exactly. Should Canonical have any business with Ubuntu 9.10 and Poulsbo devices, Intel would update the drivers. However, since they have nothing to present to Intel... And I'd prefer Intel spend time working on drivers for newer chips or adding (backporting) newer features to existing Poulsbo drivers, rather than working on drivers for a distribution that nobody will be using for real on this market.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by gbeauche View Post
      I'd say the recent raise of Intel participation in ImgTec is not totally innocent...



      Exactly. Should Canonical have any business with Ubuntu 9.10 and Poulsbo devices, Intel would update the drivers. However, since they have nothing to present to Intel... And I'd prefer Intel spend time working on drivers for newer chips or adding (backporting) newer features to existing Poulsbo drivers, rather than working on drivers for a distribution that nobody will be using for real on this market.
      Dell sell truck loads of Dell Inspiron Minis with this chipset and Ubuntu installed. A distribution that is being used for real and commercially. Will Dell simply throw up it's hands and stop selling Ubuntu Minis because driver support is lagging behind? Perhaps Canonical and Dell might point out how many sales will go begging unless the driver is updated and refined. Binary blobs do not bother me as long as they work. Nvidia is still the best Linux option by a mile, the AMD open source goodies still have a way to go. I would be happy with an updated and 3D working blob, as I do now with Nvidia. Once the AMD FOSS drivers mature I might just jump ship.

      We will have to wait and see.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by grege View Post
        Dell sell truck loads of Dell Inspiron Minis with this chipset and Ubuntu installed. A distribution that is being used for real and commercially. Will Dell simply throw up it's hands and stop selling Ubuntu Minis because driver support is lagging behind? Perhaps Canonical and Dell might point out how many sales will go begging unless the driver is updated and refined. Binary blobs do not bother me as long as they work. Nvidia is still the best Linux option by a mile, the AMD open source goodies still have a way to go. I would be happy with an updated and 3D working blob, as I do now with Nvidia. Once the AMD FOSS drivers mature I might just jump ship.

        We will have to wait and see.
        Dell will keep shipping them with 9.04 for as long as necessary. Ubuntu does a lot of these one off deals with OEMs and generally after a single release they go to crap.

        Dave.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by grege View Post
          Dell sell truck loads of Dell Inspiron Minis with this chipset and Ubuntu installed. A distribution that is being used for real and commercially.
          Dell is not selling any notebook with Ubuntu 9.10. Please read what I wrote again. AFAIK, they are using Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, and this is a supported platform. It's even so with currently released IEGD driver.

          Originally posted by grege View Post
          Once the AMD FOSS drivers mature I might just jump ship.
          I hope so even with HW video decoding acceleration using the dedicated ASIC... Currently, Intel remains the dominant player FOSS wise, even though this does not cover Poulsbo yet. Next is NVIDIA with very good quality drivers too, though totally proprietary and without any hope for this to change, IMHO.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by gbeauche View Post
            Dell is not selling any notebook with Ubuntu 9.10. Please read what I wrote again. AFAIK, they are using Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, and this is a supported platform. It's even so with currently released IEGD driver.



            I hope so even with HW video decoding acceleration using the dedicated ASIC... Currently, Intel remains the dominant player FOSS wise, even though this does not cover Poulsbo yet. Next is NVIDIA with very good quality drivers too, though totally proprietary and without any hope for this to change, IMHO.
            Well as 9.10 does not come out until October it is hardly surprising that they do not sell it yet. I guess my point was that to keep selling they will eventually have to move up to the next LTS, which at the moment they will not be able to do. Dell do offer a 9.04 upgrade image. And, yes, other Intel products are very well supported. I have an EeePC 900 running a heavily modified Kubuntu (KDE 4.3, 2.6.30 and latest xorg and intel driver) that runs very well.

            My daughters Mini 12 runs well enough for now, without 3d effects.

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            • #21
              Yes, this really sucks. The poulsbo drivers aren't even that good in windows: I get crashes trying to use DXVA, when playing videos, the scaling is normally really crappy, etc.

              But that they're not releasing any linux drivers for poulsbo really really really sucks. I have bought a netbook with it assuming intel will make sure it will run, but no...

              Unless we show them we're upset, nothing's going to happen.

              I think we should all file bug reports:
              http://supportmail.intel.com/scripts...ome.aspx?id=39

              Even better would probably be some polite but clear letters to
              Intel
              2200 Mission College Blvd.
              Santa Clara, CA 95054-1549
              USA

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              • #22
                Originally posted by djtm View Post
                Yes, this really sucks. The poulsbo drivers aren't even that good in windows: I get crashes trying to use DXVA, when playing videos, the scaling is normally really crappy, etc.

                But that they're not releasing any linux drivers for poulsbo really really really sucks. I have bought a netbook with it assuming intel will make sure it will run, but no...

                Unless we show them we're upset, nothing's going to happen.

                I think we should all file bug reports:
                http://supportmail.intel.com/scripts...ome.aspx?id=39

                Even better would probably be some polite but clear letters to
                Intel
                2200 Mission College Blvd.
                Santa Clara, CA 95054-1549
                USA
                I tried your link above and after you select GMA500, you get the following:
                "Intel does not support this product via email.

                Great... they don't even want to hear about it!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by gururise View Post
                  I tried your link above and after you select GMA500, you get the following:
                  "Intel does not support this product via email.

                  Great... they don't even want to hear about it!
                  Yes, sometime after I posted this they included poulsbo, which was not included before and then disabled the support for it. You might still select a different chipset and just tell them in the text that you're disappointed.

                  But, yes, it sucks, it really really sucks.

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                  • #24
                    I think it sounds a bit too complicated to use that driver. Maybe one extra export would be needed to run it with a new kernel, can not test. But usually it is not too hard to install an older kernel if you really want to use that piece of hw.

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                    • #25
                      What is needed to make the driver work under Ubuntu 9.10? Why can't a kernel or graphic dev from Ubuntu step up and modify the 9.04 driver to work under 9.10? Is it because its proprietary? Has anyone tried contacting the Moblin team and ask them if they have an updated driver?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by gururise View Post
                        What is needed to make the driver work under Ubuntu 9.10? Why can't a kernel or graphic dev from Ubuntu step up and modify the 9.04 driver to work under 9.10? Is it because its proprietary? Has anyone tried contacting the Moblin team and ask them if they have an updated driver?
                        It is a binary blob that was written for specific versions of the kernel and xorg. Those versions have been left behind. The only solution is a new binary blob from the original developers. Someone will have to pay for this and Dell seem to be abondoning this chipset so don't hold your breath waiting.

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                        • #27
                          It seems is possible to work...
                          HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo

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                          • #28
                            Maybe it'll end up being another nouveau situation where the only good, working driver is a third party one.

                            They could call it xf86-video-poulsblows.

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                            • #29
                              Reverse engineering the PowerVR family of GPUs would have benefits for other devices than just Poulsbo

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                              • #30
                                PowerVR had an official and good enough driver for 2.4 kernels. But they did never support the 2.6 series. I remember I was playing NWN beta with these drivers while in windowsxp this was rather difficult.

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