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  • #31
    F11 works great for me with Intel graphics (on a GM965, which is a X3100), compiz, KMS and DRI2. So much fun playing with glxgears and wobbly windows

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    • #32
      I was going to upgrade to Jaunty on my mom's laptop because of nVidia drivers, which it doesn't need 'cause it's intel.......

      Ok, that machine can skip a release. 8.10's workin' fine.

      You folks at Intel, you just keep up the great work. Let's make 9.10 rock!

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      • #33
        I have jaunty working on my advent 4211 (msi wind clone) and after doing a few easy things it's working way much better.

        Right now, using GEM, the latest intel 2.7.1 driver and the 2.6.30 kernel almost everything is resolved. (with 2.6.29 is better, but not the best).

        You can follow this thread to easily download all the files needed from the ubuntu kernel team, and downloading some files from debian sid (there's even a ppa named xorg-edge, but these files right now are more updated):

        http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582

        For me, it's working much better using UXA. I'll udpate to 2.6.30rc3 later ;-)

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        • #34
          I've been following the history of this bug. I have two machines, a desktop and a laptop, both with Intel hardware but different chipset. My laptop with a 945 video has this issue, so netbooks are not the only affected by this bug.

          The fix for the perfomance regression was applied some weeks ago but some users reported freezing issues so they reverted it back[1]. I've received an email just now about the backported patch.[2]

          It's not a Ubuntu specific bug, other distros would be affected if they include the same kernel/intel driver combination

          [1]https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/349314/comments/48
          [2]https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/349314/comments/49
          Last edited by fcatrin; 04-22-2009, 11:03 AM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by TeoLinuX View Post
            Have a nice time here in Italy
            If you pass by Milan, I'll offer you a beer! :-)
            Thanks. On this trip I am just in Rome now and then heading down to Sorrento / Capri / Amalfi tomorrow. Maybe next time I'll be in Milan.


            Italians make great wine (and Limoncello!), but is there any Italian beers you would recommend? All of the ones I have encountered have been bad.
            Michael Larabel
            http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Michael View Post
              Thanks. On this trip I am just in Rome now and then heading down to Sorrento / Capri / Amalfi tomorrow. Maybe next time I'll be in Milan.


              Italians make great wine (and Limoncello!), but is there any Italian beers you would recommend? All of the ones I have encountered have been bad.
              Go for Menabrea, avoid Moretti and Peroni

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              • #37
                Not only Intel

                Not only Intel, but also ATI cards, at least with R300 chip, have serious regression in 3D performance in Ubuntu 9.04 RC.
                In my opinion this is very serious problem. Ubuntu is recommended as the best distributive for the users with no or limited Linux experience. What do you think? Will they stay with Linux after that?
                The worst point here is that 9.04 should be released because it is scheduled for release. Who will care about all these regressions? Users?

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                • #38
                  They should fix the graphics, of course.

                  What it sounds like is that the folks that work on and contribute to Ubuntu are not eating their own dogfood when it comes to open source graphics.

                  But nobody is perfect. With Fedora 10 the support for the Intel graphics was pretty poor until stuff was cleaned up with updates. With Fedora 11 beta everything seems quite happy.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by sergus View Post
                    Not only Intel, but also ATI cards, at least with R300 chip, have serious regression in 3D performance in Ubuntu 9.04 RC.
                    In my opinion this is very serious problem. Ubuntu is recommended as the best distributive for the users with no or limited Linux experience. What do you think? Will they stay with Linux after that?
                    The worst point here is that 9.04 should be released because it is scheduled for release. Who will care about all these regressions? Users?
                    I hadn't realized the R300 regression (in Mesa, I think) was showing up in Jaunty. I'll ask around tomorrow to see what the options are for getting it fixed.

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                    • #40
                      People are reporting that the backport applied to the kernel included with Ubuntu 9.04 fixes the problem (today).

                      https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ux/+bug/349314

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                        I hadn't realized the R300 regression (in Mesa, I think) was showing up in Jaunty. I'll ask around tomorrow to see what the options are for getting it fixed.
                        Thanks bridgman. This is indeed Mesa regression. You can find more details here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ti/+bug/347569.
                        There is a preliminary solution here: http://www.nabble.com/R300-regression-td23108996.html, but it lockups the system in some cases.

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                        • #42
                          Just upgrade the kernel to 2.6.30rc3,and use the EXA mode, the regression now is gone.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by fcatrin View Post
                            I've been following the history of this bug. I have two machines, a desktop and a laptop, both with Intel hardware but different chipset. My laptop with a 945 video has this issue, so netbooks are not the only affected by this bug.

                            The fix for the perfomance regression was applied some weeks ago but some users reported freezing issues so they reverted it back[1]. I've received an email just now about the backported patch.[2]

                            It's not a Ubuntu specific bug, other distros would be affected if they include the same kernel/intel driver combination

                            [1]https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/349314/comments/48
                            [2]https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/349314/comments/49
                            When I upgraded to jaunty the driver performance was much better. I had not upgraded in a few weeks and when I did the performance went down the drain.

                            I upgraded to kernel 2.6.30 and xorg 2.7 and performance was faster than ever before (faster than feisty and earlier.) I also noticed however that flash plays RRRRRREEEEEAAAAAAALLLLLLYYYYYY slow now, but if all you want is 3d games...

                            Also with the updates to 2.6.30 and 2.7, everything is much faster in EXA (and less crash vunerable.)

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                            • #44
                              Oh yeah, 'just' upgrade the kernel.

                              So for those of us who can't 'just' upgrade the kernel this release is going to be broken until 9.10? Sigh.

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                              • #45
                                I don't know but basically it should be possible even outsides Gentoo to do a Kernel update. I'm not sure what the packages are called in your packet manager but look for them. Otherwise it should also be a possible thing to use plain vanilla sources from kernel.org and compile them. Besides I guess as soon Ubuntu or whatever you stick with engineering team notices about all that or get enough complaints they will backport code and bring out a fix that will come to you by your standard recommended updates/security fixes. Install, reboot (unless you have a relocatable Kernel) and there you are. No need to wait for the next whole distribution upgrade.

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