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  • #16
    Isn't it ironic that GKH was the developer who a couple of years ago proposed disallowing any non-GPL-compatible module to be loaded by Linux? And now he wants to include a kernel DRM driver whose sole purpose is to interact with a binary blob 3D driver.

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    • #17
      Well basically it should not get rejected because the DRM part is full GPL and the Xorg part uses the binary blob. There is at least no licence issue with the kernel module. If you want to maintain it when the Xorg part is based on closed source thats another question. To get the hardware working you need it, and if you find it in official drm, staging or distro specific addon it does not matter for the user. I would just work on more distros out of the box when it is in mainline or staging.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Kano View Post
        Well basically it should not get rejected because the DRM part is full GPL and the Xorg part uses the binary blob. There is at least no licence issue with the kernel module.
        From the article and airlied's comments, the reason for the NAK seems not to be the code or the license. It was insufficient explanations for the proposed drm changes, and lack of official statements from Intel regarding their plans/roadmap for that driver.

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        • #19
          Any updates on the GMA500 saga/scam?

          I'm one of the suckers who got stung by this by buying a Mini 10. "Intel graphics?" I thought "that'll work great with Linux!"- heh!

          So I'm stuck on Dell's custom version of Hardy, I can't get xrandr to do any better than 576p on my HDTV, HDMI sound output doesn't work and I get frequent freezes. A very poor state of affairs indeed! I hope my Pandora will fare better when it finally arrives!.

          I thought Intel were serious about supporting Linux? This has made all Linux users have to think twice now about recommending Intel IGPs for their xorg friendliness.

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          • #20
            The current recommendation is still that Linux users stay away from Intel Poulsbo/GMA500/US15W chipsets.

            New developments in the meantime since the article was posted:
            If I understand correctly, no plans exist to open source the proprietary parts. And if things will go the same route as the last proprietary PowerVR Linux driver, then you will be stuck with basic 2D forever.

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            • #21
              Is this about releasing the source or going open source? They could release the source (so users can compile it externally) but don't use an OSS license at all ("look but don't touch"), that would work just as well for packagers.

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              • #22
                Since Poulsbo uses a big chunk of third party IP it's almost definitely about releasing the source.

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                • #23
                  Intel has the money! Go intel, recover losses!


                  Maybe it is time for...

                  http://www.opentheblob.com/intel/

                  like it is still for nvidia:
                  http://www.opentheblob.com/nvidia/

                  ?

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                  • #24
                    I'm more interested in http://www.maketheblobactuallywork.com/allexceptnvidia/

                    :P

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by bugmenot View Post
                      Intel has the money! Go intel, recover losses!
                      It would take a lot of money. ImaginationTech's market cap is big, maybe 23B (not sure if that is USD or GBP).

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                        ROFL, that's a nice one, thanks

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by chithanh View Post
                          The current recommendation is still that Linux users stay away from Intel Poulsbo/GMA500/US15W chipsets.

                          New developments in the meantime since the article was posted:
                          If I understand correctly, no plans exist to open source the proprietary parts. And if things will go the same route as the last proprietary PowerVR Linux driver, then you will be stuck with basic 2D forever.
                          Thanks for that update chithanh - I presume you've got a pouslbo device too then? I don't really use Facebook but I will sign up to that group to make my unhappiness with Intel a bit more visible. I mean this is 2009- Linux users are ONE (1!)% of desktop users now!

                          So just how similar is the GMA500 to the GFX chipset used by the Pandora and Beagleboard? I'm fully expecting to receive a binary blob gfx driver with my Pandora when it initially arrives but of course nobody likes that. If the Beagle and Pandora get popular (and it looks like they could well take off with the Linux/ computer hobbyist market) and Intel/Imagination refuse to play nice with the open crowd then there will be much demand for open drivers and so theres a pretty good chance we'll see a team formed to reverse-engineer these drivers. If Pandora/Beagle and GMA500 are a pretty similar then that should aid this process I'd hope.

                          bridgman - any idea when we might hope to see something like the Zaurus cxxxx or the Pandora but with an ATI chip with (mini)HDMI output, running Linux and open source drivers? THATS what I really want!

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                          or a netbook with HDMI and a r600/r700 type chip would be cool too
                          Last edited by danboid; 05-03-2009, 07:09 AM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by danboid View Post
                            I presume you've got a pouslbo device too then?
                            No, I got burned by Imagination Technologies earlier, having bought a PowerVR Kyro. After many requests from the Linux community, they released a proprietary 2D/3D driver. But then Kernel 2.6 came, and they did not update the driver. So the device became almost useless, and ever since I bought hardware only after verifying that it works properly with open source drivers.
                            Originally posted by danboid View Post
                            So just how similar is the GMA500 to the GFX chipset used by the Pandora and Beagleboard?
                            The Beagleboard is TI OMAP3530 / PowerVR SGX based, so uses a very similar graphics core full of ImgTec's intellectual property.
                            Originally posted by danboid View Post
                            or a netbook with HDMI and a r600/r700 type chip would be cool too
                            The only widely available UMPCs with AMD CPU are Geode based (eg. the Hercules eCAFÉ) but this is probably not what you want. Raon Digital has shown prototypes of its Turion based netbook at last year's Computex, but no such products made it to Europe at least.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by danboid View Post
                              So just how similar is the GMA500 to the GFX chipset used by the Pandora and Beagleboard?
                              Details are hard to come by for obvious reasons, but the GMA 500 is widely rumored to have SGX535, while the OMAP3 has SGX530. From various rumors about speed and API support, this seems to be largely a netbook/UMPC vs. smartphone distinction; ImgTec has this to say about how the "SGX Series 5 Graphics IP Core Family" scales:

                              POWERVR SGX Series5 architecture is fully scalable for a wide range of area and performance requirements, enabling it to target a wide range of markets from low cost feature-rich mobile multimedia products to very high performance consoles and computing devices.
                              Likewise, there's a generic Series 5 block diagram provided. I imagine they're quite similar...

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                              • #30
                                Here we are in August.. any updates to the Poulsbo driver debacle? Can we at least get a working 3d binary blob driver that runs on the latest kernels?

                                I too got scammed into buying a netbook thinking "oh, intel graphics! thats supported under linux!"

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