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  • #61
    Originally posted by energyman View Post
    >
    http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...&postcount=507

    seems that nvidia hasn''t got its act together either.
    Read this : http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=829 and this http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118088

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    • #62
      Originally posted by taipan View Post
      Please try with 177.6 beta driver.
      Take a look here: http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=829 and here http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118088

      The difference between NVidia and ADM is NVidia gives you hope, AMD gives you nothing, if you dare to post an issue about their 2d performance on their "high level of technical support and easy of navigation" (http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ca...ux.html#177261) they will tell you to look on your ati box and see if there is any Linux support.

      Please don't tell me NVidia is worse !
      wrong. Nvidia does give you nothing but hope. AMD gives you freedom of choice and alternatives.

      Also:
      http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=115180
      http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118219
      http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118152
      http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118202
      http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118120
      http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118181

      looks like for a lot of people the new driver fixed nothing or made it worse. And the best thing: there is no free driver to try or documentation. Great.

      EDIT: and http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118100
      Last edited by energyman; 08-21-2008, 07:16 AM.

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      • #63
        For those experiencing the seg faults, two important questions:

        - Are you using 32-bit OpenGL apps on a 64-bit installation?

        - Are you using any AA/AF?
        Michael Larabel
        http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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        • #64
          Originally posted by energyman View Post
          wrong. Nvidia does give you nothing but hope. AMD gives you freedom of choice and alternatives.
          Ok, I'm sorry I put this wrong, I'm not a native english speaker, I just want to compare NVidia's binary driver with AMD binary driver. I respect, and this is the ONLY reason I choose to buy a laptop with an ati card, their decision to give the specs for their cards. And I respect intel more because they give the drivers too.

          Tomorrow I'll get a laptop with a nvidia 8600m gt card, I'll try and I promise you to report the results here.

          Originally posted by energyman View Post
          Thank to this link, take a look again and you'll see a nvidia guy (Plagman) who thanks for the bug report. And more he "promise" this will be fixed in the next release. How beautiful is this, how nice.
          Now let's take a look here: http://omnidatagrup.ro/~taipan/amd/ticket.pdf.
          This is a ticket I try to report to amd support center.

          If we don't speak about amd decision to make free the specs and speak ONLY binary drivers and support can I ask you which one is the worse ?

          I want to make this clear I RESPECT AMD for giving their specs but I can't respect their binary drivers and their support.

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          • #65
            I think I found why fglrx drivers are so slow on kde4 for some cards
            Starting with the R600 series (and continuing with the recently announced RV770, Radeon HD 4800 series) there is no longer a physical 2D engine. Instead, 2D calls are emulated using the command processor, or CP for short. Both the Radeon and RadeonHD drivers are now capable of using the command processor through the Direct Rendering Manager (DRM) as opposed to MMIO (Memory Mapped IO). Recently Luc Verhaegen has exposed a way in the Command Submission branch to use the command processor without relying upon any DRM. In regards to the R600 2D acceleration, the support will be written in a way that it will support the R600 series and will run almost unchanged on the RV770 (Radeon HD 4800) series.
            Here http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...600_soon&num=1 is the full article.

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            • #66
              Wow, looks like AMD is taking it seriously now! Glad to hear that, after so much time! ;D

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              • #67
                I really feel ati are not working towards supporting the majority of there users, as I pointed out earlier in other threads ATI would start to add features for new cards before fixing issues with current cards.

                I can't really see the point of having teams working on overclocking and Xfire for 48xx, when core business is probably igp's most people would prefer xv fix,2d or a compiz hack like nvidias.

                I myself bought a HD3870 but got fed up with the fix a bug make a bug.
                and bought an 8800gt which has a better user experience for me.
                Nvidia has a few problems to but are barely noticeable to ATI's just look at users online and posts here.

                I really feel ATI would struggle if they had not opened up the driver base, as radeon hd driver seems far more usable on a lot of cards.
                Surly Ati would make more money getting stable igp drivers after all linux is at its most popular.It's even provided with some motherboards
                and lets not forget EEPC's.

                I think now Intel has moved into graphics, it's really going to be tough for AMD, as they have an excellent history of drivers.
                Speed at the cost of stabilty and basic function is pointless.

                I wish all ati users here the best as your a loyal bunch hope AMD appreciates you!

                P.S will keep the hd 3870 just in case.

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                • #68
                  just another piece of useless SW

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                  • #69
                    useless? why? there is no regression (for me, after disabling pat) and several cool improvements. The most important one: temperature readings. That was the only thing I really missed after I went from nvidia to amd.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by taipan View Post
                      Tomorrow I'll get a laptop with a nvidia 8600m gt card, I'll try and I promise you to report the results here.
                      .
                      oh - emm, you know that laptops with 8X00m and 9X00m onboard graphics are dying in huge numbers right now? And if the inquirer and some other sites is to believe, all 8/9xxxm (and even discrete gpus) are defective. It is not a matter of 'will it fail' but 'will it fail while still covered by warranty?'

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Fenix-TX View Post
                        Another problem is with mplayer or other movie plater when i have kde4 effects enabled, the image is flickering.


                        This seems to be a problem with compositing in general. Also xfwm compositing causes the black screen corruption as does opening any wine app. Though there are some improvements in drivers lately I think i switched too soon back to ATI.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by energyman View Post
                          second: I solved the freezing problem in ut2004 and xv:
                          nopat as kernel option.

                          The difference between 8.7 and 8.8: 8.7 disabled PAT, 8.8 enabled PAT. With PAT disabled all jerkiness is gone.
                          Thanks, this also fixed my jerkiness in compiz

                          BTW,
                          Originally posted by energyman
                          and several cool improvements. The most important one: temperature readings. That was the only thing I really missed after I went from nvidia to amd.
                          you already had temperature readings and fan control with 8.5, 8.6 and 8.7 (at least). It was hidden, though. My post in OTW where I explained it didn't have much success

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                          • #73
                            I just installed the new driver and thought I'm gonna share my experiences:
                            Xv: Kaffeine (or any other xine-based player) still crashes the X Server when reaching the end of a video, being stopped or when playing back interlaced videos. No improvement.
                            Checkerboard of doom: Still there, e.g. when switching from fullscreen to window in kaffeine when using opengl-output. Is fixed by replacing ATis libGL.so with the Xorg provided (for gentoo users this is easily done with 'eselect opengl set xorg-x11'). No improvement.
                            wine: Most wine games still fall back to software-rendering (wine-output: libGL error: drmMap of framebuffer failed (Cannot allocate memory); libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering). See also wine-bug 13335. To be fair this realy seems to be a bug in wine, and not everyone seems to be experiencing this, but it's annoying none the less. No improvement.
                            OverDrive: I was pretty excited about this, but when I played around with aticonfig everything related to OverDrive failed. I then read at the very end of the Phoronix-article on OverDrive that "OverDrive support is limited to the Radeon HD 3000 series and later". Yeah, my fault...

                            Conclusion: While I appreciate ATis efforts, I also think their focus should be more on getting bugs fixed than on adding features (I really don't see who'd have a use for CF on linux right now. The 4850 and up seem to be strong enough cards to run anything currently available on their own).
                            Now I'm gonna switch back to radeon.

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                            • #74
                              you already had temperature readings and fan control with 8.5, 8.6 and 8.7 (at least). It was hidden, though. My post in OTW where I explained it didn't have much success
                              This should probably be moved into the gentoo wiki under extras for ati-drivers.

                              I'm a long time nvidia user so ati is still not something i'm completely at home with. Is there an overlay that provides the latest drivers? As i've just been merging the latest from portage and then overwriting them with the official amd runtime.

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                              • #75
                                you could try the x11 overlay.

                                I just fetched the 8.7 ebuild from bugzilla, renamed it and removed the patch line. Worked perfectly fine.

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