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  • #31
    Aww *hugs ATI* Such a nice change. I'd bought this PC with an ATI card about 2 months before I made a decision to start playing with Linux (which I not run 95% of the time). Imagine my joy when I found out how dismal support for my card was. It's come a hell of a long way, and to be honest I'm more excited about the fact that the drivers are going into CDs than anything else. Visible signs that there is good support will make people curious about the Penguin.. for one of the first times anyone who buys hardware will see another OS put along-side Windows and Mac as an equal. That's huge.

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    • #32
      A year or two ago I changed all my ATI cards for nvidia (in the boxes I use and sell).

      Now I'm picking up a few boards with integrated ATI to see if I shouldn't change back to ATI.

      Certainly worth another look. I am amazed that ATI has told the MS crowd to go stuff themselves.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Rahux View Post
        Aww *hugs ATI* Such a nice change. I'd bought this PC with an ATI card about 2 months before I made a decision to start playing with Linux (which I not run 95% of the time). Imagine my joy when I found out how dismal support for my card was. It's come a hell of a long way, and to be honest I'm more excited about the fact that the drivers are going into CDs than anything else. Visible signs that there is good support will make people curious about the Penguin.. for one of the first times anyone who buys hardware will see another OS put along-side Windows and Mac as an equal. That's huge.
        The drivers being on the CD doesn't really do much in my eyes. The Linux kernel moves to quickly compared to the windows one meaning new users should really use the distro's package manager to install it instead of the ones of the CD or they might end up without a working x.org when upgrading.

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        • #34
          Theater 550/650 Support

          I definitely applaud ATI/AMDs efforts. Who would that thought 5 years ago we'd be where we are today?

          However, there is one big glaring piece of the puzzle missing; ATI/AMD makes some of the best TV tuners around (Theater 550, 600, 650, etc)...but where's the linux love?

          I wish I could try MythTV, but until there's some support...

          -S

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          • #35
            finally i can buy ati hardware.
            I have had to put up with nvidia crap for years.

            it almost brings tears to my eyes.

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            • #36
              so cool

              so going to get me a ATI/AMD card next!!!!!!!!!!

              This is such great news!

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              • #37
                In regards to card sellers putting "linux" on their boxes.

                Its not like they actually _support_ windows either ? try and get a bug fixed. The total sum of support is "re-install" if that doesn't work.. er... um.. umm.. go get the ones from $parentcompany.. bye !

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                • #38
                  I definitely applaud ATI/AMDs efforts. Who would that thought 5 years ago we'd be where we are today?
                  actually i'd like to be 1 year later from here, with even more mature opensource drivers ;-)

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Kano View Post
                    Here something to demonstrate some ati errors (try gl2benchmark test 3+4 on BOTH nvidia geforce 6+ AND ati):

                    http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanot...-2-generic.iso
                    http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanot...eneric.iso.md5

                    this also demonstrates the fglrx patches for kernel 2.6.26 in my fglrx script based on:

                    https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/239967
                    You mentioned the magic word, PATCHES.

                    Why do I must patch the kernel all time just for AMD/ATI fglrx support? Why not just supported with the vanilla kernel? That stuff is PITA to the user, I just want to use the latest kernel for my distro (gentoo-sources in Gentoo, for example) and put the fglrx driver on it without need to do manual patching with every kernel update.

                    I think Nvidia makes things easier, as they are more compatible with latest Linux kernels without need of patching all time. What do you think?

                    Sorry if this can be half offtopic or seem like trolling to some people, but I think being overoptimistic instead critical and objective makes companies lazy in their efforts.

                    OT: I think closed source drivers must be totally eliminated from the FLOSS world at long term, this situation is ridicule and against the spirit of the Free Source movement. I see some hope, as it seems companies are starting to understand it or at least being moved to it in a frictional way. I think all this problems with closed source drivers never would exist if these drivers were FOSS.
                    Last edited by timofonic; 06-20-2008, 03:50 AM.

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                    • #40
                      You don't patch the kernel, you patch the DRIVER. Don't get this wrong.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Kano View Post
                        You don't patch the kernel, you patch the DRIVER. Don't get this wrong.
                        except in the cases where you... patch the kernel... Think unexported symbols like in 8.5 and 2.6.25 x86_64....

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by timofonic View Post
                          You mentioned the magic word, PATCHES.

                          Why do I must patch the kernel all time just for AMD/ATI fglrx support? Why not just supported with the vanilla kernel? That stuff is PITA to the user, I just want to use the latest kernel for my distro (gentoo-sources in Gentoo, for example) and put the fglrx driver on it without need to do manual patching with every kernel update.

                          I think Nvidia makes things easier, as they are more compatible with latest Linux kernels without need of patching all time. What do you think?

                          Sorry if this can be half offtopic or seem like trolling to some people, but I think being overoptimistic instead critical and objective makes companies lazy in their efforts.

                          OT: I think closed source drivers must be totally eliminated from the FLOSS world at long term, this situation is ridicule and against the spirit of the Free Source movement. I see some hope, as it seems companies are starting to understand it or at least being moved to it in a frictional way. I think all this problems with closed source drivers never would exist if these drivers were FOSS.
                          Dont think for a second that nvidia isnt also shit.. Gentoo just shields you from most of the kernel incompatibility by having the patches applied for you.

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                          • #43
                            Yes, for new nvidia drivers you have problems when XEN is enabled. Then you run into gpl only problems. But not so many users really need XEN. Could get a bit tricky for Ubuntu Intrepid as they enable XEN by default. At least I don't know of a working patch for 173+ (worked up to 171).

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                            • #44
                              Good news!
                              However, as a so called hardcore linux gamer I still stick with Nvidia cards until all of my favourite games work flawlessly on ATI cards.
                              I'm still reading posts about other users reporting grapical glitches or even game client crashes with games such as Transgamings EVE-Online or, Savage 2 when using the fglrx drivers.
                              Also as long as radeon or radeon-hd doesn't support the latest 3D features, it absolutely makes no sense to me switching over to an ATI pendant.

                              Nvidia also has its bugs and sometimes I even have to reinstall the driver after an distribution package update which of course sucks, but at least I'm getting quite good performance on the latest games out of it.

                              Oh, and no. Even as a gamer I absolutely do not intend to use Windows anymore on any of my machines.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Michael View Post
                                Actually, as part of AMD's strategy, they will be having new work going on in the area of video playback. However, you'll need to wait and see what that entails.
                                The article said that none of the open source drivers currently had UVD support. How about the closed source driver? If this feature were available, I would switch over immediately.

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