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  • 3870x2 (8.5 CCC) wont work on newly installed 8.04

    Its unbelievable for a graphic-card reseller to through a high-end graphic-card on the market without a functionable Driver for linux especially for ubuntu.
    Im waiting since month to get finally work this card.

    I tried it with 8.3, radeonhd, 8.4 and the new version 8.47 (8.5).

    The hours I spended made me crazy.
    I tried it in all kind of ways, that youll possibly find in the internet.
    I tried it with brand new installation, gutsy gibbon, and hardy, old, differnce kernel-versions
    I tried the ati-driver and the ubuntu way also.
    I tried ever possibility i found in the internet, also to hack the driver.
    What I get is always the same error.

    No device......

    Here is my System.

    MSI 965 Platinum
    Intel 6420 Core Duo 2,13GHz
    Corsair 2 x 1GB (800, 5,5,5,12).
    Apple Cinema HD Monitor 30".

    Its now time to say goodbye ATI, and welcome NVIDIA. I`ll take my old NVIDIA 8800 GTS and have fun under Linux.

    Thats what i want to say now, because im totally frustrated to lost 450 Euro for nothing.

    Sincerely Mardenkain
    Last edited by Mardenkain; 05-25-2008, 09:37 AM.

  • #2
    Mardenkain, I hope it was clear that the 3870x2 was sold as a Windows-only card. We don't support Crossfire on Linux at this time, and without Crossfire a 3870x2 didn't offer any benefit over a single 3870 under Linux. If your dealer told you the card was supported under Linux they were telling you wrong.

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    • #3
      Well you could at least add the pci id as supported card! As it is possible to init the card with a hack not supporting it at all is very stupid, or better call it ATI like!

      http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9259

      @Mardenkain

      You can try my proposed hack - just WITHOUT the sed command - that means use

      ChipID 0x9501

      override in the Device section and add your 950F in fglrxko_pci_ids.h.

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      • #4
        I bought ONE Card, not TWO. So no crossfire. Or did u mean crossfire on the 3870x2, because this card has two GPUs???
        I have a 30 " Monitor and what i only want is an ordinary resolution under linux from 2560x1600. 3d Acceleration is not so important under linux for me.
        The card runs since month in vesa-mode and vesa supports only 1920x1440.

        I tried the hack already, and read your post.
        Sure u are right, my card have this ID.
        But it ends in the same error.
        No device.

        I also dont want to start now a new thread and ask for help.
        I tried it to often in to many ways.

        When i bought this card, i knew, that this card was not supported, but i thought that it will be in the future.
        Now several month later, ATI are not successful to write a functional driver for a really high-end product for one of the most common linux-systems.
        Its now the second version from ati that officially should support graphic cards of 3x.
        The first one was on 16th. of april and now the last one on 21th of may.
        How long should a coustomer wait???.
        Actually there a new cards on the market, that are newer and faster from NVIDIA for example and if i google for problems i see there are
        not these problems.

        Sincerely Mardenkain
        Last edited by Mardenkain; 05-25-2008, 10:41 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mardenkain View Post
          I bought ONE Card, not TWO. So no crossfire. Or did u mean crossfire on the 3870x2, because this card has two GPUs???
          Right. Crossfire is for multiple GPUs, not just multiple boards. The x2 boards rely on Crossfire to operate; they're just a lot easier to install and configure than a two-board system.

          Originally posted by Mardenkain View Post
          I have a 30 " Monitor and what i only want is an ordinary resolution under linux from 2560x1600. 3d Acceleration is not so important under linux for me. The card runs since month in vesa-mode and vesa supports only 1920x1440.
          For the short term the radeonhd driver should work for you. We patched it a few months back to work with the x2 board; doesn't have 3D yet but should be a lot faster and support more modes than the vesa driver and 3D isn't too far off.

          Originally posted by Mardenkain View Post
          When i bought this card, i knew, that this card was not supported, but i thought that it will be in the future.
          Did your dealer tell you that ? I just want to make sure the right message is being sent through our channels. There are some people posting on the internet that we *do* support 3870x2 under Linux and that is making for some very unhappy customers. I haven't been able to track down a single post though, other than a lot of "I read a post somewhere..." messages.

          Originally posted by Mardenkain View Post
          Its now the second version from ati that officially should support graphic cards of 3x. The first one was on 16th. of april and now the last one on 21th of may.
          Not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that we have "officially" announced x2 support in the recent drivers ?
          Last edited by bridgman; 05-25-2008, 11:02 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bridgman View Post
            Not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that we have "officially" announced x2 support in the recent drivers ?
            I think all he wants is the card to be working *at all*. That means one of the two graphics cores should output a dvi-d compatible signal with a resolution of 2560x1600. Nothing more, no fancy 3D acceleration, nothing. Just a plain image in the native resolution of his 30" tft display.

            His problem is that the driver does not accept the card at all, no matter if it was crossfire or just "using one of the two chips".

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            • #7
              Got it. The radeonhd driver should do that today. I think the latest ubuntu release (8.04) shipped with radeon (-ati) but there's a good chance that should support the x2 as well.

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              • #8
                Thank u ivaonic. Thats it.
                My Hardware isnt unusual, or isnt it ?

                Did i not mention that i tried the radeonhd driver, i thought i did that.
                It ends in the black screen of death on my PC on a brand new installation.

                And no, the seller didnt told me that, but yes i expected, that this card will be supportet in the nearby future when I bought it.

                @bridgeman.
                Do u really think, that a world seller of graphic-cards will survive, if it will not support HIGH-END products on COMMON LINUX SYSTEMS now and in the future???
                I think not.

                Sincerely Mardenkain
                Last edited by Mardenkain; 05-25-2008, 11:15 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mardenkain View Post
                  Did i not mention that i tried the radeonhd driver, i thought i did that.
                  It ends in the black screen of death on my PC.
                  It might be that the version of radeonhd shipped with Ubuntu is too old to include the driver. So maybe try to get the current git version and try this one, it might work.

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                  • #10
                    oh my god
                    u make me crazy.
                    ok ili give it a try.. ill post the results after trying.

                    so long

                    Sincerely Mardenkain

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                    • #11
                      Yep. Not 100% sure if ubuntu is shipping with radeonhd; my 3870 came up running the radeon driver not radeonhd when I installed Hardy.

                      If you have any troubles with the latest radeonhd driver you'll want to subscribe to the radeonhd mailing list and we can answer questions & help out there.

                      http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd

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                      • #12
                        Eh ! Same here ...

                        Hi, since I'm "about" in the same situation and there is an AMD/ATI reader there, I'll tell you my issues ...

                        I've firstly bought a 3870X2 thinking that would work sooner or later (even with one GPU as a start). I found out nothing was working, that was three month ago ... the month later, I bought a 3870 (not X2). Well, at least I could get 2D accel and a poorly supported 3D one ...

                        I mean, I got 4 GB or RAM on a core 2 Q6600 which is a "standard" system for now. I thought that using a x86_64 linux distribution (I chose slamd64) I would be able to use the full range of my 4Gb !

                        That's true, unless I want to use ATI drivers ... as soon as I enable the memory relocation in the bios (asus P5E) and starts Xorg with ati drivers (8.3 to 8.5 included) the computer is freezing ... If I disable the option, the X is starting but there is only about 3.3 Gb of ram visible ... "ok, that could be good enough"

                        Now, the 8.4 only works with 2.6.24.x kernels.

                        I wanted to use the latest 2.6.25.4 one. Just thought "eh finally another ati crappy driver, that's supposed to work under 2.6.25 ! Let's try it !"

                        Compile, boot, installed, launched X ... WOW. X is starting but ... Why the f**k is there a black border around my desktop, which is then blurry ??

                        Just tried to fall back to 8.4, started X, and the full range of my monitor was used, but no 2D nor 3D accel at all with 8.4 and 2.6.25 ...

                        I'm using a iiyama B2403WS at the native 1920/1200 using DVI->HDMI.

                        I tried every resolution in the ati display pannel, no way to get rid of those black borders ...

                        I had to went back to the 2.6.24 + ati 8.4 drivers ...

                        Sometimes I really miss my old agp nvidia card which was fully supported and which allowed me to specify my own modelines in the Xorg config file ...

                        I hope ONE DAY ATI WILL BRING LINUX USERS DRIVERS THAT ARE WORKING FOR ALL OF THEIR PRODUCTS AT THE SAME TIME AND WITH THE SAME QUALITY AS WINDOWS DRIVERS !!

                        Cause I got atm a 3870x2 card unused, about a third of my ram unusable and an old kernel ...

                        Thanks again for reading.

                        Regards,


                        hehe2

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                        • #13
                          Hardy ships with radeonhd 1.0, but I'm not sure if that version supports the X2. Anyway, their is no Crossfire in Linux, yet, so with that in mind, it's silly to purchase a card that needs that technology to work. Don't people still advocate "research before you buy" these days? "Hoping" that the hardware will somewday be supported is all on you, so it's rather silly to demand support. Still, the card is somewhat supported by radeonhd, so not all is hopeless (thank God for open source right?).
                          In a distro like Ubuntu, fglrx should not have many major problems, specially if you generate packages yourself or use the installer; the Hardware Manager in Ubuntu never seemed to work for me. I have been using fglrx for my ATI cards with no issues whatsoever, with minor problems here and there which I have often found solutions for. Currently using 8.5 with a HD2900XT under a 2.6.25 kernel with no problems, and a 200M also with no major problems (except for slow scrolling in FF). I have 4GB of RAM on my main system and all of it is recognized and working, but I pressume the problem has to do with certain MB chips rather than with fglrx itself.
                          Last edited by Melcar; 05-25-2008, 12:12 PM.

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                          • #14
                            mom i couldn post my answer..
                            Last edited by Mardenkain; 05-25-2008, 01:10 PM.

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                            • #15
                              So, I downloaded a new ISO Ubuntu Version 8.04 and burned it today.

                              I formatted in the installer-Partition-Maker the "/" root directory and the "/home" directory to avoid earlier settings that could probably make problems.
                              After that I started in Vesa-Mode a X Session.

                              Then I installed the following programs with this command:

                              sudo apt-get install build-essential git-core configure-debian automake autoconf xorg-dev libtool mc

                              after that i downloaded the new radeonhd-driver with this command:

                              become root in any way.
                              Either with sudo gnome-terminal or with sudo passwd; followed by a new root-password and then su with the new root passwd.

                              cd /root
                              git-clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-radeonhd


                              after some time I installed the driver with following commands:

                              cd /root/xf86-video-radeonhd
                              ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr/
                              make
                              make install


                              then I run mc and put easily following line in the section DEVICE in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf

                              Section DEVICE
                              Identifier "Configured Video Device"
                              Driver "radeonhd"
                              EndSection


                              saved the xorg.conf and make a reboot.

                              And what should I say? : IT WORKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                              After month i got my wished resolution of 2560x1600 with my PC.
                              I could only say thanks to u all and that i gave u and me a chance.

                              May God bless u and thanks for this work on the radeonhd-driver.

                              Sincerely Mardenkain
                              Last edited by Mardenkain; 05-25-2008, 01:20 PM.

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