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  • Originally posted by d80zoom View Post
    "Everybody is asking for a bugfree driver. Tomorrow please."
    "That this is not realistic doesnt matter for most of them."


    As a consumer, when I spend $200.00 dollars on an ATI Radeon video card, I see that the Windows users have access to the latest drivers with complete features on a frequent basis.

    As a Linux user, I do not have the same luxury. This is not right and I think that ATI and Nvidia need to up their game and put more effort into developing stable and complete drivers for the Linux community.

    Why should I be punished as a Linux user, when I am paying $200.00 dollars just like the Windows people? I am paying for the Hardware and the Software that makes it work, my choice of operating system should not have anything to do with the availability of a driver that works for one platform, and not another.
    Well thats simple. If ~1% of ati's customers are linux users. Well then theoretically only ~1% of their developers should work on the linux version of their drivers.

    Well in reality, as bridgman once said, they are spending more money on the linux driver, than the marketshare dictates.

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    • Hey..hey...hey...none of that 1% BS. The Linux desktop market share is up to 1.02%. Don't forget it.

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      • Originally posted by rbmorse View Post
        Hey..hey...hey...none of that 1% BS. The Linux desktop market share is up to 1.02%. Don't forget it.
        Ya but that 1.02% is metric....

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        • Hey, it's all coming together. We just hired another Linux developer... in Canada... where things are also metric

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          • hello

            Any news on the driver supporting Xorg 1.7 .

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            • Originally posted by deanjo View Post
              Ya but that 1.02% is metric....
              I know it's all a joke and stuff but to get back to reality, Linux use is currently a lot larger than that world-wide. If you look at non-U.S. countries especially. But whatever. ^^

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              • +1 to an open driver though as openness is a good feature in anything. And yes, it would be nice to know more about what is coming down the grfx pipe and what users can expect. Like whatever Lucid Lynx's X.org closed driver support is coming for instance, since I don't think some of my games will run with the open one yet though I'm certainly going to try it first. :P

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                • Originally posted by Yfrwlf View Post
                  I know it's all a joke and stuff but to get back to reality, Linux use is currently a lot larger than that world-wide. If you look at non-U.S. countries especially. But whatever. ^^
                  Do you have some evidence to support that? The usage statistics I saw so far pretty much agree with that 1%...

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                  • Originally posted by yotambien View Post
                    Do you have some evidence to support that? The usage statistics I saw so far pretty much agree with that 1%...
                    It depends what statistics did you saw. Some take microsoft.com and apple.com into account and this is simply idiotic. According to some ranking Linux was more popular then OS X in my country in 2006: 0,9% : 0,2%.

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                    • Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                      It depends what statistics did you saw. Some take microsoft.com and apple.com into account and this is simply idiotic. According to some ranking Linux was more popular then OS X in my country in 2006: 0,9% : 0,2%.
                      Well, the interesting thing is that no, it doesn't depend on what statistics did I see. All of them give Linux about 1-1.5% market share in desktop usage. If you, Yfrwl or somebody else have something different perhaps you can share it.

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                      • @yotambien NOT all of them. Here's Linux - 4.6%
                        http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
                        But I'm sure you'll find a reason why this doesn't count.

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                        • Originally posted by cl333r View Post
                          @yotambien NOT all of them. Here's Linux - 4.6%
                          http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
                          But I'm sure you'll find a reason why this doesn't count.
                          All of them I saw (or remember)...until now.

                          I don't have any interest in downplaying Linux usage statistics, if you were implying that. But yes, I have a reason to argue that those are probably flawed: it is a technical, IT-related site. If you take a look at their browser statistics you find:

                          IE (all of them): ~35%
                          Firefox: ~46%
                          Chrome: ~12%
                          Safari: ~4%
                          Opera:~2%

                          However, Wikimedia statistics tell a different story:

                          IE: 54%
                          Firefox: 30%
                          Safari: 5%
                          Chrome: 3.7%
                          Opera: ~3%

                          The argument against those statistics is the same I would raise against the statistics collected from, say, Phoronix, although to a much lesser degree, of course.

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                          • Yes, I was implying exactly that, and yes you're correct too, the Linux average is imo indeed about 1%. I just also wanted to point out that in _some_ (seldom) cases it gets to 4-5% and on the completely Linux-biased sites (like linux forums) it's a lot higher than 5%.
                            But, the best thing for Linux is not to trumpet that it's a bit more often used than some people believe, but actually keep polishing it and if something is worse than in windows we have to admit it and improve it in Linux as well, not deny it or redefine the worse behavior as a virtue (you know what I mean, the typical behavior of a Linux fanatic).

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                            • Originally posted by cl333r View Post
                              Yes, I was implying exactly that, and yes you're correct too, the Linux average is imo indeed about 1%. I just also wanted to point out that in _some_ (seldom) cases it gets to 4-5% and on the completely Linux-biased sites (like linux forums) it's a lot higher than 5%.
                              But, the best thing for Linux is not to trumpet that it's a bit more often used than some people believe, but actually keep polishing it and if something is worse than in windows we have to admit it and improve it in Linux as well, not deny it or redefine the worse behavior as a virtue (you know what I mean, the typical behavior of a Linux fanatic).
                              We completely agree, then.

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                              • Yes, completely, well, almost, except for that tiny little issue hehe

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