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  • Originally posted by bridgman View Post
    Just a reminder that Linux support for AGP HD2xxx cards has not yet been released, but is being worked on.

    If you run the current (PCIE only) driver on an AGP HD2xxx card the result may be a crash at startup, or the kernel driver may just fail to initialize. In the latter case, the X driver will run but without video or 2D/3D acceleration (since acceleration depends on the kernel driver which in turn requires support for the AGP subystem).

    For the short term, the RadeonHD driver is a good alternative; it does not use the 3D engine either but the ShadowFB support gives pretty decent performance for 2D (and video via X11 output if you have a decently fast CPU).
    See, I don't really know what that means (kernel driver, x driver, shadowFB, x11 output, etc) :-) In windows I download an exe and run that which will tell me if my card is not supported and also configure everything for me. And even if I don't the MS supplied drivers seem kinda fast enough to at least play video smoothly and make aero run.

    It just seems to me that in linux you have to know about all that stuff. And yes, while it was cool to actually git (whatever that is..seems to download sourcecode) and then compile my own drivers, I spend many hours trying to figure that out, and in the end it was all for nothing. Now personally, I don't even mind that all that much, and I'm sure I can learn how to do it, I'm just off the opinion for something as low-level as a gfx driver I shouldn't have to.

    BTW I have a x2 4200+ @ 2,6ghz, 2GB ram, but even low-rez xvid videos are blocky as hell and stutter all over the place. I don't dare to open an HD video :-)

    Gosh, I'm really sorry, again I really don't mean to sound like I'm bashing Linux, I just kinda wanted to say how it is for me.

    The funny thing is just a few months ago I still had my x800gto card (fan broke...aaaarggh), which would have probably worked fine and I assume I would be in awe about all the nice effect that compiz thing would give me. I also still have a FX5200 lying around, how are the nvideo linux drivers? Worth a shot? On the other hand I really don't wanna put in an old video card :-)

    bridgman, any *loose* timeline? Trying to decide if I should wipe the partition or not :-)

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    • Originally posted by the_corona View Post
      See, I don't really know what that means (kernel driver, x driver, shadowFB, x11 output, etc) :-) In windows I download an exe and run that which will tell me if my card is not supported and also configure everything for me...

      It just seems to me that in linux you have to know about all that stuff. ... learn how to do it, I'm just off the opinion for something as low-level as a gfx driver I shouldn't have to.
      Keep in mind that until not very long ago, most Linux graphics drivers were 100% reverse-engineered. Not the case anymore, since we have companies releasing drivers (such as Intel, Nvidia & ATI), or specifications from which a driver can be written (with partial/complete functionality).

      In the case of the HD2xxx drivers, according to bridgeman, Linux and Windows drivers are broken. The net result of the x11/2d/3d etc. is that HDTV and 3D games will play very poorly, if at all, in Linux (and in Windows, going by what's been said).

      BTW I have a x2 4200+ @ 2,6ghz, 2GB ram, but even low-rez xvid videos are blocky as hell and stutter all over the place. I don't dare to open an HD video :-)
      Yes, these will play poorly. When full 2D & 3D support is available, these things will be hardware-accelerated (as opposed to your CPU now doing the heavy computations needed), and video will be smooth.

      would give me. I also still have a FX5200 lying around, how are the nvideo linux drivers? Worth a shot? On the other hand I really don't wanna put in an old video card :-)
      The FX5200 is a great card. Put it in, use the Nvidia driver (this driver is proprietary, so you may need to use module-assistant and create a module; see easy instructions on the web). You wil be able to play HDTV at 720p easily, and 1020i quite well. There is another web forum where you can get good help on this card.

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      • If you go back a few months, the Windows drivers were much closer to working on AGP than the Linux drivers; that was just a consequence of where we happened to be in the migration to common code.

        In general we are trying to finalize AGP support on Windows and Linux at the same time, ie in the same release, but sometimes we will need to deliver Linux and Windows support on different releases to make best use of QA time. Testing has to be done separately for each board so support for different chips & boards will probably show up over 2-3 releases.

        AGP support should start to hit the beta program over the next couple of weeks.

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        • Wouldn't you call that banana hardware what you currently sell?

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          • Originally posted by bridgman View Post
            AGP support should start to hit the beta program over the next couple of weeks.
            Very cool, is this going to be a public beta by any chance?

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            • It's the same private beta as before, but I would like to add a few 6xx AGP users to the beta program; anyone interested please PM me an email address and I can add you to the list.

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              • Thnx birdgman, send you a pm.

                Also I think its very cool how ATI (...err...I mean AMD :-)) interacts with people.....guess that's the Linux way and I like it!

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                • My PM is on it's way



                  I hope I can be of some help.

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                  • I doubt I'd be of much help, but I suppose I can try.

                    PM on the way.

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                    • Thanks everyone. All of a sudden I have had lots of response (you can tell 'cause my mailbox is full ) so I'll pick through the PMs tomorrow. I don't want to add too many folks to the beta list so I may pick and choose a bit; in general we'll be trying to (a) get a good variety of HW configurations and (b) try to pick people who are comfortable with doing some of the trial-and-error work that makes the beta testing useful. I'll probably need the weekend to get back to everyone -- thanks for all the PMs !

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                      • if I ask very kindly, would it be possible to have in next release notes a clear statement if drivers are supposed to work on HD2600proAGP or not...

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                        • We have set up internal projects to track the qualification of each AGP board on the Linux driver; those should feed into the release note generation, so hopefully you should start seeing those messages soon.

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                          • Haleluia

                            After installing the new driver release today 8.5 here are my feedback!

                            Finally I can use my brand new HD2600 Pro AGP card for some Linux gaming

                            Good frame rate at ultra Quality in doom3 and in Quake war enemy territory!!!

                            Now I'll just have to check if Compiz and the rest still work.

                            Thank you to all of you at AMD for finally supporting those card in Linux.

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                            • Wow! let us know how it goes.

                              Bridgman, you know anything about this, or stroke of luck?

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                              • It's alive!!! Alive!!!
                                I also had to use "--resolution=0,1280x1024" in aticonfig to make it work properly.

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