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  • Ubuntu 14.10's Lack Of X.Org Server 1.16 Gets Blamed On AMD

    Phoronix: Ubuntu 14.10's Lack Of X.Org Server 1.16 Gets Blamed On AMD

    Yesterday I wrote about Ubuntu 14.10 not yet having X.Org Server 1.16 even though the first beta was issued this week and there's been a testing package repository for more than one month. This lack of X.Org Server 1.16 thus far is apparently due to AMD with not yet having a supportive Catalyst driver...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTc3NzM

  • #2
    hm

    i don't agree with this, it's about time to force the end of fglrx,...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rikkinho View Post
      i don't agree with this, it's about time to force the end of fglrx,...
      There needs to be middle ground. As mentioned already, Ubuntu tends to be behind when it comes to the open-source graphic stack. Only other alternative afaik is to use stuff from git from oibaf's PPA.

      In the case of my 7850, it's either deal with text corruption (stock), or deal with total system lockups with simple desktop usage (oibaf). Both are non-existent with Catalyst.

      The middle ground I believe would be to offer the latest stable open-source graphics components, much like Arch does.

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      • #4
        I wonder how many lines of code need to be changed to adapt to the new X ABI for fglrx. Is X that volatile?

        The middle ground I believe would be to offer the latest stable open-source graphics components, much like Arch does.
        Well but then you can argue why Canonical should stop there? Why not offer the latest stable nvidia driver too? And what about libre office? Why just drivers?

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        • #5
          I'll probably switch distros when one of them comes out later this year. I've been looking forward to the updated open source graphics performance and I'm not willing to wait 8 months for it.

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          • #6
            nvidia and libreoffice

            Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
            I wonder how many lines of code need to be changed to adapt to the new X ABI for fglrx. Is X that volatile?



            Well but then you can argue why Canonical should stop there? Why not offer the latest stable nvidia driver too? And what about libre office? Why just drivers?
            you have a libreoffice ppa i use it from 2 years never had problems, for nvidia use the website or download the deb files from xorg edgers

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            • #7
              Pisses me off

              This pisses me off, this is not the first time technological progress is hindered by AMD.
              AMD keeps doing this shit every time, never having device drivers out in time.

              People who don't even have AMD, people with Intel and Nvidia suffers because of this too.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Espionage724 View Post
                There needs to be middle ground. As mentioned already, Ubuntu tends to be behind when it comes to the open-source graphic stack. Only other alternative afaik is to use stuff from git from oibaf's PPA.

                In the case of my 7850, it's either deal with text corruption (stock), or deal with total system lockups with simple desktop usage (oibaf). Both are non-existent with Catalyst.

                The middle ground I believe would be to offer the latest stable open-source graphics components, much like Arch does.
                Then there must be something broken in Ubuntu, I have exactly the same card and zero problems with Fedora, all open-source. Actually, I just finished Portal 2 with highest settings at FullHD resolution, without a single issue, and that ought to put some stress on the graphical stack...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by r1348 View Post
                  Then there must be something broken in Ubuntu
                  okay i laughed

                  i guess for your next trick you're going to tell us water is wet

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                  • #10
                    lol

                    Originally posted by r1348 View Post
                    Then there must be something broken in Ubuntu, I have exactly the same card and zero problems with Fedora, all open-source. Actually, I just finished Portal 2 with highest settings at FullHD resolution, without a single issue, and that ought to put some stress on the graphical stack...
                    what card? try do the same with metro

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                      This pisses me off, this is not the first time technological progress is hindered by AMD.
                      AMD keeps doing this shit every time, never having device drivers out in time.

                      People who don't even have AMD, people with Intel and Nvidia suffers because of this too.
                      Wow, ridiculously melodramatic or what. No one is suffering.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
                        I wonder how many lines of code need to be changed to adapt to the new X ABI for fglrx. Is X that volatile?
                        Not sure how it translates to lines of code, but there's a list of what changed in the ABI here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archive...ay/042271.html

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                        • #13
                          What exactly is the problem there? Do the Xorg guys change their API for each release? Why are driver changes necessary at all?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by r1348 View Post
                            Then there must be something broken in Ubuntu, I have exactly the same card and zero problems with Fedora, all open-source. Actually, I just finished Portal 2 with highest settings at FullHD resolution, without a single issue, and that ought to put some stress on the graphical stack...
                            What version of Fedora? Last I heard, Fedora had newer open-source graphics components than Ubuntu, and if that holds true, then I would expect a totally different experience. I've had little issue with graphics on openSUSE 13.1 with xorg repo (latest stable stuff), and Arch.

                            But in any case, I have no idea if games were problematic. All I know is about two weeks ago, web browsing or opening up picture viewer could cause GPU hangs. Didn't try games. The instability I've experienced also only started happening recently (was fine in the past), and I also use oibaf's PPA.

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                            • #15
                              fglrx is garbage, more at 11

                              I play all my games on my desktop PC with mesa, just stop supporting fglrx so they will stop developing it and focus on their open source driver.

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