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    Phoronix: AMD Reportedly Plans To Bring Mantle To Linux, Calls Mantle An Open-Source API

    The latest official word from an AMD representative is that, yes, their Mantle API will come to Linux but they're not yet providing any time-line or firm support commitments...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTcyMzA

  • #2
    would be pretty funny if they open source it and it performs better on nvidia.

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    • #3
      Great news.
      AMD probably looked at how much work making OGL work properly on linux and said F-it....wont take that much more to make Mantle work on Linux.

      We can only hope AMD is going full steam ahead on this.
      IMO there will probably be a lot of collaboration with Crytek and SC on this project considering SC may well be the first Linux title with potential Mantle support.

      Mantle might require Wayland/Mir support?

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      • #4
        Good news. Bring it on AMD.

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        • #5
          If Open Sourced right of the bat, the community would be able to start adding support to the open drivers.
          I wonder if they want full support on their proprietary drivers first, to have an advantage for a little while.
          Dunno why they would though. Intel isn't really a graphics competitor yet. Noveau is still pretty far behind, and nVidia has no plans to support Mantle anytime soon.

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          • #6
            Get Mantle into MESA, *then* call it open source.

            It would be awesome too if the useful bits of the Mantle API is incorporated into OpenGL 5 though.

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            • #7
              If Mantle came to mesa, wouldn't they have to build everything from scratch? Could some of the current driver infrastructure or code be reused?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by UraniumDeer View Post
                If Open Sourced right of the bat, the community would be able to start adding support to the open drivers.
                I wonder if they want full support on their proprietary drivers first, to have an advantage for a little while.
                Dunno why they would though. Intel isn't really a graphics competitor yet. Noveau is still pretty far behind, and nVidia has no plans to support Mantle anytime soon.
                i think you jumped on hype train a bit too soon.

                it is open API, not open source solution.

                and you kinda require GCN to use it which is why only new amd cards are compatible.


                i think only radeonsi could actually go for what you say. other vendors definitely won't license something needing complete abandonment of their way when that vendor is not a threat. amd simply has no cards to dictate tempo
                Last edited by justmy2cents; 06-18-2014, 03:11 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Prescience500 View Post
                  If Mantle came to mesa, wouldn't they have to build everything from scratch? Could some of the current driver infrastructure or code be reused?
                  I've no idea about mantle API. But from Apple's low-level API metal I think Mantle will be very similar to gallium API.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by justmy2cents View Post
                    and you kinda require GCN to use it which is why only new amd cards are compatible.
                    It require Hardware Features that currently only met AMDs GCN Cards. So Mantle need Some Hardware Features but not GCN Special.

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                    Thats pretty weak AMD, do Something! Release the Specification to the Public or stop speaking about Open-Source. And i doubt that AMD bring Mantle to Linux and if only as a Runtime, because the lack of a HLSL Compiler.

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                    • #11
                      "open-source API"

                      Typical journalist from "pro" site, for You.

                      APIs aint copyrightable (whatever any non-programmer could tell You), so they can not be proprietary nor "open sourced".

                      Just private/public.

                      Open as in Open Standard or closed as in developed by single entity.


                      So its "open API" which for now means "PR" or "open source TOOLS/LIBS", which would be nice. There is also chance that Mantle code is different from Catalyst, and AMD really want to make it open source down to the last driver bit. They already have MESA, so they have that skill set, and they have many times told us that they make each GPU gen more "open source" safe, from their "company secrets" point view. And that would play nice with AMD push for CPU like openess about what happen on GPU.

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                      • #12
                        Talk is cheap. Release something.

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                        • #13
                          If this is as good as AMD's proprietary drivers I hope it never sees the light of day.

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                          • #14
                            I am uber sceptical on this...

                            I'd love to call myself AMD GPU fan, but it won't happend ny time soon. I am using their processors, for as long as I remember, I only had intel processor once on my personal computers.(2nd gen celeron)

                            First of all, AMD drivers suck elephant balls, probably blue whale balls. Tests on Phoronix prove it over and over again. A stronger by means of hardware and more expensive card from AMD is worse than one from Nvidia.
                            And at this stage, not even promise of open source drivers will attract me to AMD.

                            Finally devs agreed more or less to use an open standard like OpenGL and not DirectX and boom, we got also Mantle. A half backed standard, that will most likely NEVER will be supported by NVIDIA. So it's like 65% or more of Linux world out in to the window. And it gets worse from here. Knowing quality/performance of binary and OSS drivers from AMD, I DO NOT BELIEVE mantle is gonna give any advantage, performance wise, to any dev on Linux. And even if it will, it will probably be available to one or the other type of driver + not all hardware will support it. Even if I am partially wrong here, how many people on Linux will be able to take advantage of it? 5% from already small Linux user pool?

                            I honestly hope that AMD will fail with Mantle, quick and painlessly. So they put more effort into existing OSS drivers. They need to do OSS drivers first. We were fed with promises for ever.
                            Saying, that OSS drivers "work", IMHO, is the same as saying, "I bought 50k Euro expensive car, it only goes 50 mph". IMHO, this car is broken or too bad. It's not worth 50k Euro. Pick and choose, either broken or overcharged and outdated.

                            AMD, get your stuff together please. I never had AMD card in my life, but I want to have it!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dimko View Post
                              I'd love to call myself AMD GPU fan, but it won't happend ny time soon. I am using their processors, for as long as I remember, I only had intel processor once on my personal computers.(2nd gen celeron)

                              First of all, AMD drivers suck elephant balls, probably blue whale balls. Tests on Phoronix prove it over and over again. A stronger by means of hardware and more expensive card from AMD is worse than one from Nvidia.
                              And at this stage, not even promise of open source drivers will attract me to AMD.

                              Finally devs agreed more or less to use an open standard like OpenGL and not DirectX and boom, we got also Mantle. A half backed standard, that will most likely NEVER will be supported by NVIDIA. So it's like 65% or more of Linux world out in to the window. And it gets worse from here. Knowing quality/performance of binary and OSS drivers from AMD, I DO NOT BELIEVE mantle is gonna give any advantage, performance wise, to any dev on Linux. And even if it will, it will probably be available to one or the other type of driver + not all hardware will support it. Even if I am partially wrong here, how many people on Linux will be able to take advantage of it? 5% from already small Linux user pool?

                              I honestly hope that AMD will fail with Mantle, quick and painlessly. So they put more effort into existing OSS drivers. They need to do OSS drivers first. We were fed with promises for ever.
                              Saying, that OSS drivers "work", IMHO, is the same as saying, "I bought 50k Euro expensive car, it only goes 50 mph". IMHO, this car is broken or too bad. It's not worth 50k Euro. Pick and choose, either broken or overcharged and outdated.

                              AMD, get your stuff together please. I never had AMD card in my life, but I want to have it!
                              Mantle aint either-or with Mesa.

                              Though I hope that gallium is able (will be modified to) support such API.

                              That is the future of computing on GPU (engineering decisions behind API design), so lets prepare for it.

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