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    Phoronix: AMD Marketing Manager Mentions Linux & Mantle

    In a new AMD blog post about more Mantle-supported games being on the way, Linux is mentioned...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTcxODM

  • #2
    So AMD is really, really, really bringing HSLS to Linux?

    LOL.

    And PR person gloryfing non-existent product which will be targeted to highly vocal and somewhat more knowledgeable audience.

    LOL.

    Either somebody will get fired, or Mantle in fact is being worked on.

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    • #3
      I think AMD is delusional if they think this is going to go anywhere.

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      • #4
        Nvidia + Superior Drivers > AMD + Mantle

        Mantle only makes sense at low to mid range performance when CPU power is a factor. When you've got a decent CPU (say >= sandybridge i5), Mantle doesn't really make sense. What does make sense is ditching AMD and their crappy drivers and going Nvidia.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kaprikawn View Post
          Nvidia + Superior Drivers > AMD + Mantle

          Mantle only makes sense at low to mid range performance when CPU power is a factor. When you've got a decent CPU (say >= sandybridge i5), Mantle doesn't really make sense. What does make sense is ditching AMD and their crappy drivers and going Nvidia.
          But Mantle IS ABOUT ditching AMD drivers.

          Didn't You listened to the devs who claimed that now THEY can optimize their games for AMD GPUs? Thats not PR statement. Its good old engineering statement. Removing driver from the equation is responsible for such opportunity.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by przemoli View Post
            But Mantle IS ABOUT ditching AMD drivers.

            Didn't You listened to the devs who claimed that now THEY can optimize their games for AMD GPUs? Thats not PR statement. Its good old engineering statement. Removing driver from the equation is responsible for such opportunity.
            They are not going to be banging registers. The drivel model just changed, and there is less handholding for developers. But sure as hell a driver will still be present.

            But really, going AMD and betting on mantle on linux is too restrictive. Linux games are already a very small part, and you'll undercut it further by going mantle. Most games will still be OGL, so AMD (fglrx) will (very unfortunately) still suck.

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            • #7
              At least his post shows what mantle is actually about. Vendor lock-in!

              And now hurry up and buy "AMD Radeon™ R9 Series" graphics cards suckers...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by [Knuckles] View Post
                They are not going to be banging registers. The drivel model just changed, and there is less handholding for developers. But sure as hell a driver will still be present.

                But really, going AMD and betting on mantle on linux is too restrictive. Linux games are already a very small part, and you'll undercut it further by going mantle. Most games will still be OGL, so AMD (fglrx) will (very unfortunately) still suck.
                Agree.

                Driver will still be there. Not managing memory. Not managing synchronization. Not managing content generation. Not managing SLI. Not managing...

                Complexity of Mantle from driver perspective is order of magnitude lower then of OGL.

                But Yes OGL stays, and fgrlx will **** with it as does now.

                But No, Mantle (if HSLS is also prestent) should be identical to that of Windows, and AMD should have easier time in keeping bugs in check. (So Linux vs Win will limit audience. Mantle vs OGL wont. For games which already use Mantle on Win).

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kaprikawn View Post
                  Nvidia + Superior Drivers > AMD + Mantle

                  Mantle only makes sense at low to mid range performance when CPU power is a factor. When you've got a decent CPU (say >= sandybridge i5), Mantle doesn't really make sense. What does make sense is ditching AMD and their crappy drivers and going Nvidia.
                  And thats the problem in the past u could invest much money in graphic card and could have a realtivly cheap cpu all few years and the gpu was the important part. Today often the cpu gets the bottleneck, on basicly all mmo-games especialy shooters.

                  Mantle fixes that, so I love it, even if it dies in the future, it kicks all the lazy developoers especialy dx devolopers in their ass and they stop making people invest 30-50% more money into hardware so that they have a bit better developing experience.

                  Its basicly so far that with no amd cpu u can play stuff like planetside2 without big problems. AND even with a i7 the frames go under 30 at some situations.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by log0 View Post
                    At least his post shows what mantle is actually about. Vendor lock-in!

                    And now hurry up and buy "AMD Radeon™ R9 Series" graphics cards suckers...
                    Eeee. We talk about high end gamers here. Advising them to buy high end GPU lineup is... normal.
                    (And its segment where You have 2 lineups to choose from really)

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                    • #11
                      Mantle is still not open, is it? 12 Months in Linux world is not really much. Its about twice the half-value time of Mark Shuttleworths memory.
                      so unless they dont open things up for mesa i wonder if people will really be seing any mantle at all.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kaprikawn View Post
                        Nvidia + Superior Drivers > AMD + Mantle

                        Mantle only makes sense at low to mid range performance when CPU power is a factor. When you've got a decent CPU (say >= sandybridge i5), Mantle doesn't really make sense. What does make sense is ditching AMD and their crappy drivers and going Nvidia.
                        [ ] you got the point what mantle is about.
                        [ ] you know the problems with opengl and why catalyst drivers were bad in the past (14.6 are definetly fine).

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                        • #13
                          wait and see...

                          We'll have to wait and see
                          Salut,

                          I've been waiting since I got my HD4850...
                          I've been waiting since I got my HD7850...
                          ...and I am still waiting to see.

                          Then, I bought an nvidia gtx760 three month ago & guess what??
                          I plugged it, I installed the blob driver (no real alternative currently) and since then... I can play, I can watch my movies properly and so on.

                          So, why should I still care about AMD ATI RADEON's (whatever you call it) possible futur hardware/software product???

                          If that company want to get more customers or even just keep them, why doesn't she make it real?

                          Nvidia, Intel, Valve...did and still do.

                          I am fed up waiting, wishing, hoping... Stop promessing, just do it and shut your mouth until then!

                          May be, I said may be, I'll reconsider my position about their products if it happen one of these days but I won't wait anymore.

                          a+
                          Deb[NOT]cool

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by przemoli View Post
                            Eeee. We talk about high end gamers here. Advising them to buy high end GPU lineup is... normal.
                            (And its segment where You have 2 lineups to choose from really)
                            I wouldn't call r9 270 high end.

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                            • #15
                              R9 is the 'performance' series, which is aimed at high-performance gamers. R9 270, AFAIK, is a rebranded Tahiti/HD7970, which was the high-end card of the previous desktop graphics generation.
                              Anyone who does not play 'AAA' games at >1080p doesn't need the horsepower of an R9.

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