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  • #16
    Pff .. Still get a black screen like with the previous beta... It weird, I've never met this before. When Xorg start it flickers the screen and it goes off for a moment and then on again. That's what happens now, except it stays off.. :|
    I tried "startx" from recovery mode and got something along the lines of this "no screens found"(more than that, but I don't remember it all now). Had to revert to 13.1 obviously...

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    • #17
      I've installed -beta6 on Ubuntu 12.10, x86_64. With previous versions of catalyst, bigpicture was broken and caused immediate segfaults. That's fixed for me with -beta6. Also sam3 runs smooth for me (had to clear the shader cache once).

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      • #18
        Originally posted by moony View Post
        I've installed -beta6 on Ubuntu 12.10, x86_64. With previous versions of catalyst, bigpicture was broken and caused immediate segfaults. That's fixed for me with -beta6. Also sam3 runs smooth for me (had to clear the shader cache once).
        What graphics card do you use? Is the texture flickering of shadow areas gone?

        I stopped playing SS3 because with my 5850 and Catalyst 13.1 the flickering was so annoying.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by oliver View Post
          You do realize this is an unpolished BETA driver?
          And this affects the supported kernel versions in which way? Do you think when it is released it magically will support newer kernels?

          In any case, wait until your distro pics it up.
          Nope. My distro does not have this driver in its repository. And will never get. I don't see why they even should. It is the job of AMD's driver developers to deliver a driver that works at least oin the current stable kernel, they get paid for this. It is not the job of some random distro maintainer to do this.
          Complaining just to complain and wanting and nVidia card isn't helping anyone.
          I am not complaining just to complain. I am complaining to make people aware of how shitty AMD's "great Linux support" is in reality and let AMD people (that frequent this forum) know that I am not willing to ignore that. Of the three computers I am currently using two are AMD only, AMD chipset, AMD CPU, AMD video solution.
          With their pathetic driver policy they have actively drove me away from supporting them in the future and I want them to know that.

          Yes, AMD hasn't got the 'perfect' always working awesome installer
          Usually the installer works fine, if you don't use the "build a package for my distro" feature.
          and usually is behind in kernel releases
          You must be kidding. Again, they are officially supporting no kernel higher that 3.5 with their drivers. only that 3.5 (and its successor 3.6) are already EOL, so that the latest supported kernel is 3.4, released in May 2012. So they are 9 months behind, while Nvidia had already support for 3.8 before it was even released.
          But also, package maintainers pick up this slack and do the hard work for you.
          No, they are not doing the hard work for me. They are doing the hard work for the AMD developers, that actually get paid for that, but either are too lazy or incompetent. I prefer that the software I use, drivers inclusive, is as close to upstream as possible. If upstream decides that the distro maintainers should do the work that actually is upstream's work (therefore multiplying the work) this means to me that upstream is not willing to properly support Linux and its customers. Simple, they don't support me, so why should i give them my money?
          Personally, I say take your nVidia card and shove it into some "We don't care about libre-software" nVidia hole.
          Nope, I will take the Nvidia card and shove it in the "I care to use all parts of the hardware I paid hard earned money for on my distro of choice"-hole.
          If you want you can use your libre drivers that never will support all parts of the hardware you bought and give you sub-par performance. Or use their proprietary drivers that limits you to older software, unless some other people do AMD's work.
          As a gentoo (and occasional Ubuntu) user, I have used the binary blobs since my 9500Pro and haven't had huge issues.
          Of course, if you don't care about having drivers that have to be patched to actually support your system instead of drivers that just work as they should you won't have problems.

          I have said that several times and I will repeat that here once more: AMD, you are already short on money. This will not get better if you piss of your existing customers, so don't do that. For me, with their current driver policy, AMD is dead. They won't get my money anymore. if they at some time in the future decide to change that policy I possibly will re-evaluate this decision, but I doubt they will.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by mibo View Post
            What graphics card do you use? Is the texture flickering of shadow areas gone?

            I stopped playing SS3 because with my 5850 and Catalyst 13.1 the flickering was so annoying.
            It's an AMD Radeon HD 7850M (ASRock VisionX).

            I'm not aware of any flickering; what settings do you use, then I can try the same?

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            • #21
              @vimuser
              just curious but what distro do you use? and what does the latest kernel have that you so desperately need? I get your point about how AMD devs should be doing their job, I know you shouldn't be forced to use another distro, and I know it shouldn't be the package maintainers' responsibility to make drivers work. But considering how much AMD as a whole is crumbling, I think linux users unable to use the latest kernel and play SS3 is the least of their concerns. In their eyes, you're like someone at a restaraunt who is complaining that your coffee is too hot.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by moony View Post
                It's an AMD Radeon HD 7850M (ASRock VisionX).

                I'm not aware of any flickering; what settings do you use, then I can try the same?
                The Steam forums have many Catalyst + SS3 reports.
                The problems I've seen so far:
                1. SS3 autodetects GPU ultra settings but gives only playable fps at medium GPU settings

                2. The intro screen shows garbage, as described here:
                http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410...9854179310029/

                3. Shadow areas such as under palm trees, in grass or the bottom side of the space ship you have to fight with at the end of level "Under the Iron Cloud" do flicker. The texture seems to disappear there.
                http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410...9854178994223/
                (I just found this thread and maybe the "gfxRestart()" command helps - will try it tonight)

                Point 3 made me stop playing - the flickering was too annoying. I will continue when the problem is fixed.

                I use Suse 12.2 64bit, HD5850 Catalyst 13.1, 16GB ram, 3570K quad core cpu.

                Edit: @schmidtbag: I hope AMD does not listen to you. IMHO they should care about their customers needs.
                I did buy the graphics card to play games with it. If I can't play SS3 with it, why should I buy an AMD card next time?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by mibo View Post
                  I did buy the graphics card to play games with it. If I can't play SS3 with it, why should I buy an AMD card next time?
                  Bang on! But AMD is on down roads. Fuck on my over-enthusiasm I bought a notebook with e-350 apu and convinced 3 others about AMD's OSS efforts on Linux, and they bought 3 A-Series APU desktops. Opensource radeon plainly suck us all three on performance; catalyst is buggy as hell.
                  Dear AMD, we don't bother about your efforts. The fact is we're all Linux users and we also love games. We want a smoother performance on your graphics, we (especially I) don't care if it's OSS or catalyst. Whatsoever, it should work which it doesn't. Poor me!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by manmath View Post
                    Bang on! But AMD is on down roads. Fuck on my over-enthusiasm I bought a notebook with e-350 apu and convinced 3 others about AMD's OSS efforts on Linux, and they bought 3 A-Series APU desktops. Opensource radeon plainly suck us all three on performance; catalyst is buggy as hell.
                    Dear AMD, we don't bother about your efforts. The fact is we're all Linux users and we also love games. We want a smoother performance on your graphics, we (especially I) don't care if it's OSS or catalyst. Whatsoever, it should work which it doesn't. Poor me!
                    APU performance is slow with the open source drivers because the default clocks are low and fancier power management is needed -- FWIW we are working on that. What gaming issues are you running into with Catalyst ?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by mibo View Post
                      I hope AMD does not listen to you. IMHO they should care about their customers needs.
                      Yes, they should, HOWEVER there is a difference between caring about their customers' needs and bending over to accommodate every single nobody's whim.
                      That's called "trade-offs".
                      E.g. throwing in a random patch so basement dwellers can watch their favorite porn in full HD at the expense of workstation users who need stability to do their work on a GPU that cost them 10 grand a pop, is definitely not a way to conduct business.
                      Though obviously that part might be hard to grasp from a "me, myself and my own little life" point of view...

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by PsynoKhi0 View Post
                        Yes, they should, HOWEVER there is a difference between caring about their customers' needs and bending over to accommodate every single nobody's whim.
                        That's called "trade-offs".
                        E.g. throwing in a random patch so basement dwellers can watch their favorite porn in full HD at the expense of workstation users who need stability to do their work on a GPU that cost them 10 grand a pop, is definitely not a way to conduct business.
                        Though obviously that part might be hard to grasp from a "me, myself and my own little life" point of view...
                        I'm not sure your point of view is valid.
                        Just look in the Valve Linux forum. When somebody asks for a graphics card recommendation or reports a problem with the Catalyst driver. There quickly will be people pointing out that AMDs drivers just suck and recommend Nvidia hardware.
                        So, I think fixing Catalyst bugs is good for AMDs business.

                        In addition I hope that Valves game box will base on a AMD GPU. Then it would be even more important for Valve and AMD to have good Catalyst drivers.

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                        • #27
                          AMD has damaged itself big time.

                          I doubt that there are gamers, on linux native or through wine, that consider buying an amd vid card. (again)

                          When I look at my self. would I want to upgrade my 5750, what card can I buy?
                          HD 6XXX or HD 7XXX ? all I read is people having problems.
                          Maybe one in 10 is happy.

                          If people ask for advice about gaming on Linux, the answer is nvidia.

                          The only positive thing about this might be, that the number of linux gamers is small, so the damage might be relative small.

                          And about workstations, there is no excuse for selling a vid card, and not delivering working drivers.

                          When I first installed catalyst for openSUSE, which they claim to support, firefox was not even working right.
                          Scrolling a webpage had a terrible lag. I had to turn something off, which helped, but then the screen tearing got worse. ( which at the moment for my 5750 is almost gone )

                          Some of my opensource friends on this forum, don't seem to realize, that most users don't give a fuck about a driver being open or closed source. They simply want it to work.

                          Me personal is again happy with AMD.
                          But them helping to give us good opensource drivers, is irrelevant to most users.

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                          • #28
                            I <3 amd/ati

                            AMD and ATI have been my match made in heaven for as long as I can remember (since before the all in wonder cards and my K7 thunderbird cpu!). Its all I buy. I have NEVER purchased an Intel or Nvidia system. AMD/ATI ONLY! Now they are one company and getting better all the time. I custom build and sell only AMD machines! I've built and sold over 200 AMD machines in my area alone! When AMD fails at something it also makes me look bad. I am a little dissapointed in the lack of upkeep on the legacy drivers. I still have a laptop with an HD4250 in it. I agree about working on the drivers and getting better linux support. I'm sick of always hearing nvidia fanboys brag about their crap when nvidia is also far from perfect. I'm still awaiting for AMD/ATI to take over the linux realm as best in CPU/GPU/APU support. I love my triple monitor Crossfire HD6870 setup. Although since adding my second card I've noticed Crossfire issues in linux . Havent even bothered testing drivers since before 13.1 catalyst drivers came out due to my fear of heartbreak that crossfire in linux will not be fixed .

                            Please AMD, don't let your avid fans down over and over again. Please show Linux some love.

                            Your biggest fanboy/reseller,
                            Darksurf

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                            • #29
                              @bridgman

                              Don't you think that OpenGL should be better supported and game devs should get more help from AMD as well and not only from Nvidia (think about "The Way It's ment to be played" program). When you look at current state then AMD needs to profile more OpenGL engines (luckyly often several games use similar engines) and tell the devs what to change to get full speed. Maybe they did that for Source engine as well - Intel seems to be the first who helped Valve in that case. It is very bad when AMD mainly only optimizies for Win games. Many like Linux games but when they run like crap it is not good - and pretty bad for a possible Steambox.

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                              • #30
                                AFAIK that is all happening, although I think our dev rel program has a different name from NVidia's

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