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  • #91
    @ phreadom

    Again, nowhere did Michael or AMD said that the driver fixed any of the known bugs, the focus was the performance.

    The issue about the card only reporting half its memory (AFAIK) is related to AGPGART use, are you using internal or kernel-side AGPGART?
    Last edited by Thetargos; 09-12-2007, 01:51 PM.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by mile View Post
      I see what tactics ATI has

      just add support for R600, so that they are officially supported
      , for older cards they dont give a f**k...They already gave us money
      Sadly, it is not as simple as that... but you're entitled to your own opinion.

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      • #93
        ok, I see no reports with r600 series

        I hope somebody will test it and report back. Michael said, that this driver with r600 card does not have these problems

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        • #94
          Insanity. This is the same crap I see when someone doesn't get their comic book faithfully converted to a blockbuster movie with every little detail intact. Yes there are problems in the new driver, and yes in some cases it's no better than the 8.40, but stop and ask yourselves this question. If there had been no announcement, if this new driver had come along with no fanfare, would you all still be complaining as much. What did you expect, every last bug in the tracker fixed? I'm sure some of the people here work in the IT industry. Does one release ever fix everything? You can sit here and blast AMD for not releasing Jesus in driver form, or you can submit bug reports early and often so they might get handled in the upcoming release. If this release has disgusted you so much that you are going to go to NVidia forever, thats great. The whole world does not need to hear it. If you have no information to share, then why not keep quiet. Stop going after Michael's throat personally for the quality of the release. I seriously doubt he tried to mislead anyone. If the driver isin't working for you, then troubleshoot. You are using one of the most advanced operating systems in the world, it stands to reason everything isin't going to work on the first run.

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          • #95
            As i said I'll believe it when i see it, and from what i've read so far i was absolutely right with my thoughts. It was alot of hype about the new release and nothing more. I won't try the current release (i own a X 1600 Pro and i'm sick of playing beta tester for ati) and just wait for the next release in the hope that something will change (not that i actually expect this will happen anyway...)

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            • #96
              Just installed 8.41. All lights are green but DRI doesn't work:

              /var/log/Xorg.0.log:
              ...
              (II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module Version Information:
              (II) fglrx(0): Name: fglrx
              (II) fglrx(0): Version: 8.41.7
              (II) fglrx(0): Date: Sep 7 2007
              (II) fglrx(0): Desc: ATI FireGL DRM kernel module
              (II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version matches driver.
              ...
              (II) fglrx(0): DRI initialization successfull!
              ...
              (II) fglrx(0): Direct rendering enabled
              ...(everything's happy)

              $ glxinfo | grep -i render
              direct rendering: No

              I am using Mobility x700, so im pretty sure thats the reason for it. But the only post i saw with the same problem was a guy using AIGLX. Anybody else strangely getting Mesa indirect rendering???

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              • #97
                Originally posted by carpman View Post
                Insanity. This is the same crap I see when someone doesn't get their comic book faithfully converted to a blockbuster movie with every little detail intact. Yes there are problems in the new driver, and yes in some cases it's no better than the 8.40, but stop and ask yourselves this question. If there had been no announcement, if this new driver had come along with no fanfare, would you all still be complaining as much. What did you expect, every last bug in the tracker fixed? I'm sure some of the people here work in the IT industry. Does one release ever fix everything? You can sit here and blast AMD for not releasing Jesus in driver form, or you can submit bug reports early and often so they might get handled in the upcoming release. If this release has disgusted you so much that you are going to go to NVidia forever, thats great. The whole world does not need to hear it. If you have no information to share, then why not keep quiet. Stop going after Michael's throat personally for the quality of the release. I seriously doubt he tried to mislead anyone. If the driver isin't working for you, then troubleshoot. You are using one of the most advanced operating systems in the world, it stands to reason everything isin't going to work on the first run.
                *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap*

                Well spoken. This driver is not the culmination, but rather the beginning for AMD to start focusing on other issues now that they've got at least two milestones in place:
                1. R600 support.
                2. Speed increment in their rendering libraries.

                What is left is bug squashing and fine tweaking, a hard and long task that will take several releases to accomplish, but the seed has been sewn. The next milestone, AIGLX will arrive with 8.42 and most likely compatibility with previous generations of products will be there too, hopefully more than a couple bugfixes will also make their way into that release too.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Thetargos View Post
                  @ phreadom

                  Again, nowhere did Michael or AMD said that the driver fixed any of the known bugs, the focus was the performance.

                  The issue about the card only reporting half its memory (AFAIK) is related to AGPGART use, are you using internal or kernel-side AGPGART?
                  It's not just that it didn't fix the problems, it is actually worse. I didn't have this glesx problem before. (I'm only running now because I removed the glesx.so file until I can go back to 8.40)

                  As for the AGPGART, as far as I know it's not even getting that far because the drivers see the card as a PCIE card.

                  So essentially I'm stuck with a PCI card running at base PCI speed with half my vid mem and now with no 3D at all. At least in the previous driver I had 3D that ran abysmally slow due to the 0x AGP speed because the card was being seen as PCIE.

                  So yeah... this driver does worse than nothing for me.

                  Michael never once mentioned before now that this driver was just for the R600 releases. Nor was there any mention of possibly worse support for other cards etc. Only wonderful claims about how much better the new driver would be.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by phreadom View Post
                    Michael never once mentioned before now that this driver was just for the R600 releases. Nor was there any mention of possibly worse support for other cards etc. Only wonderful claims about how much better the new driver would be.
                    Actually, in the first article published on the new driver it was mentioned:

                    The fglrx 8.41 driver is focused primarily for the R600 series and the 8.42 driver will contain additional fixes and optimizations for the older generation of ATI graphics processors. While the 8.41 release is designed for the R600 series, in our tests with the R300 through R500 series the driver has worked out quite well.
                    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...item=821&num=2

                    It was also mentioned in other articles as well...
                    Michael Larabel
                    http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                    • I would have to agree with you on that... However, and not meaning to defend Michael, he couldn't possibly test the driver in all possible combinations of hardware, still, AMD now officially states that this drivers are preliminary to support the R600.

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                      • Yes, I can complain. I spent 1500 for notebook which is not working as I wanted bacause of ATI

                        And I am in IT bussiness for almost 10 years as programmer, I was also involved wit driver development (ISDN). And we didnt add extra features before basic were stable and tweaked.

                        So AIXGL for next month...great...leave all problems as they are and add extra functionality. Easier to debug

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                        • Originally posted by carpman View Post
                          Yes there are problems in the new driver, and yes in some cases it's no better than the 8.40
                          Actually, it's worse than 8.40, which was worse than 8.35, which was worse than 8.20 (the last release that really working for me)!

                          Originally posted by carpman View Post
                          but stop and ask yourselves this question. If there had been no announcement, if this new driver had come along with no fanfare, would you all still be complaining as much.
                          No, not that much. But 8.41 was hyped by Phoronix, it was supposed to be a lot better than previous releases, because of the "great new codebase".

                          And although I would not complain that much if there hasn't been this hype, I still would complain a lot. The "progress" of the driver is simply unacceptable.

                          Originally posted by carpman View Post
                          What did you expect, every last bug in the tracker fixed?
                          No, but at least some of them.

                          Originally posted by carpman View Post
                          or you can submit bug reports early and often so they might get handled in the upcoming release.
                          As if anyone at AMD cares. There is an unofficial bugzilla at ati.cchtml.com and there have been rumors that the driver developers look at it regularly but since there is absolutely no feedback from AMD on what bugs they are working on, reporting bugs seems senseless. I reported all my problems there years ago and updated the information for every release and they are still not fixed or even added to the "knows issues" list.


                          Originally posted by carpman View Post
                          If this release has disgusted you so much that you are going to go to NVidia forever, thats great.
                          I wish I could.

                          Originally posted by carpman View Post
                          The whole world does not need to hear it.
                          AMD has to hear it. And since their feedback formular on their web site seems to lead directly to /dev/null, I'm writing here.

                          Originally posted by carpman View Post
                          You are using one of the most advanced operating systems in the world, it stands to reason everything isin't going to work on the first run.
                          It isn't the "first run". It's at least the 41th run.

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                          • Originally posted by mile View Post
                            Yes, I can complain. I spent 1500€ for notebook which is not working as I wanted bacause of ATI

                            And I am in IT bussiness for almost 10 years as programmer, I was also involved wit driver development (ISDN). And we didnt add extra features before basic were stable and tweaked.

                            So AIXGL for next month...great...leave all problems as they are and add extra functionality. Easier to debug
                            And you were planning to run Linux on it? knowing ATI's problems? Or did you find out after? (lack of research?)

                            Edit

                            Again, you pay for Windows with most laptops... No wonder pretty much every Linux laptop seller ships with nVidia + Intel (again, not meaning to bash AMD-ATI, just state of "business")... For several reasons, part the graphics support and performance, part for power consumption and battery life, etc.
                            Last edited by Thetargos; 09-12-2007, 02:18 PM.

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                            • From a business standpoint, what choice could you make if you had to choose between supporting your latest chipset and improving speed for the existing chipsets? "Thank you for buying this 2900HD. Linux support will be added just as soon as we bump up the framerates on the 9700 pro." They have to make sure their entire product line has some functionality before they can move on to optimization.

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                              • Originally posted by Stormking View Post
                                No, not that much. But 8.41 was hyped by Phoronix, it was supposed to be a lot better than previous releases, because of the "great new codebase".
                                In all of the articles the graphics performance while gaming was looked at (as in most of our graphics articles). If you compare the performance on a working 8.40 and 8.41 system you should see a tremendous performance boost. That is a huge feat compared against no performance improvement over the previous ~16 months. There were no claims in any of the articles made about suspend/resume or other fixes. Now that the codebase is implemented in the 8.41 release that is designed specifically for the R600 series, those additional fixes will come in 8.42 and future driver releases.

                                Originally posted by Stormking View Post
                                As if anyone at AMD cares. There is an unofficial bugzilla at ati.cchtml.com and there have been rumors that the driver developers look at it regularly but since there is absolutely no feedback from AMD on what bugs they are working on, reporting bugs seems senseless. I reported all my problems there years ago and updated the information for every release and they are still not fixed or even added to the "knows issues" list.
                                AMD developers do pay attention to the BugZilla. It's even linked to from their download page.

                                AMD is also well aware and paying attention to this thread.
                                Michael Larabel
                                http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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