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  • #76
    Originally posted by billybore View Post
    Yes, but I specify to my dealer that I want to use it for Linux (isn't a game for me using lin, but a work), ok i paid for Win laptop but it isn't onest
    An honest answer from any dealer would be that for Linux (and I do not mean to bash ATI-AMD here) you are best off with either Intel or nVidia graphics. That may seem like bad publicity for AMD-ATI, but unless you are willing to fiddle with the limited support, and have a hard time getting things to work and you acknowledge that, by all means, go ahead. That was the reason I held so long for my ATI card, back when I still had one. For stability I recommend OSS supported hardware (S3, SiS and Intel), you may not have the greatest and latest 3D experience, but at least you'll be able to use the computer. Heck even older Mach64 based laptops with mobility Rages are a good option if you don't mind lack of 3D... If you need 3D, there are pretty much no other options than nVidia, for the time being.

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    • #77
      So... I finally got to test this new driver with my X850 XT PE.

      * it didn't fix my amdcccle problem (didn't expect it to..) or the TexturedVideo one
      * I can now play Nexuiz with VBOs and Offset mapping
      * google earth is working again
      * DRI seems to work with composite, but I still get corrupted graphics in some programs (ex: xnview) (EDIT: meh, it's in the release notes)
      * I gained ~200 fps in a simple SDL/OpenGL program I made that draws some GL_QUADS
      * The installer doesn't work with xorg-server 1.4 (X.org 7.3), but I didn't test any further (it's in the release notes too)

      I also wanted to do a benchmark with X2 - The Threat, but it doesn't work with the new driver (problems with libGL).

      I'll do some more tests later (wine/cedega, some benchmarks with native games), but so far I'm disappointed with this new driver..

      EDIT (again): I just read this thread from the beginning.
      Originally posted by Michael
      As has been stated a number of times now, the fglrx 8.41 release is designed specifically for the R600 series. If you try this new driver with a R600 graphics cards, those common bugs shouldn't be there. In the coming releases AMD will fix these bugs for the previous generations. AMD is trying to make it very clear that this release is ONLY intended for R600 owners.
      I'll wait for the next release then. It's not like I have a choice anyway...
      Last edited by Xipeos; 09-12-2007, 01:13 PM.

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      • #78
        I had to link by hand /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/ligGL.so.1.2 but other than that, it works great on a mobility x1300.

        I tried Sauerbraten which was unplayable before. Now it is smooth. Maybe I'll get Quake4 finally.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Kano View Post
          Could you be more specific? Fire* ids of course will not work as the PCIIDs are missing in fglrx_drv.so.
          The Radeon 9500 to 9700 Pro softmod by adding ChipID 0x4E44 to xorg.conf. It was able to boost my fps considerably on my 9500s with this trick. Not that this is something I don't suspect AMD to support, but those extra 4 pipelines are there and in my cards work, I like using them. Plus nearly every version of the Windows driver has a copy with this hack.
          Last edited by Tillin9; 09-12-2007, 01:20 PM.

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          • #80
            buildpk doesn't work for Mandriva/2007

            I am having issues installing as well. I have been using the buildpkg for at least the last 4 releases and they have worked fine.

            I am using Mandriva 2007. I used the --buildpkg Mandriva/2007 command to create packages. It starts fine and then spits out lots of rpmbuild stuff and ends with:

            RPM build errors:
            File listed twice: /usr/lib/ati/libGL.so
            File listed twice: /usr/lib/ati/libGL.so.1
            File listed twice: /usr/lib/ati/libGL.so.1.2.8.41.7
            File listed twice: /usr/lib/ati/libfglrx_dm.so.1.0
            File listed twice: /usr/lib/ati/libfglrx_gamma.so.1.0
            File listed twice: /usr/lib/ati/libfglrx_pp.so.1.0
            File listed twice: /usr/lib/ati/libfglrx_tvout.so.1.0
            File listed twice: /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so
            File listed twice: /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so
            File listed twice: /etc/ati/control
            File listed twice: /etc/ati/signature
            Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:
            /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so
            Removing temporary directory: fglrx-install.E13719

            Any ideas?

            I saw the previous comment about removing the dummy fglrx_dri.so... but it doesn't explain the other errors. I tried to poke at the ati.spec but I didn't get anywhere.

            Thanks.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by twistedself View Post
              Any ideas?

              I saw the previous comment about removing the dummy fglrx_dri.so... but it doesn't explain the other errors. I tried to poke at the ati.spec but I didn't get anywhere.

              Thanks.
              I am not sure for Mandriva other than contacting the Mandriva maintainer. I don't use Mandriva with fglrx.
              Michael Larabel
              http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Tillin9 View Post
                The Radeon 9500 to 9700 Pro softmod by adding ChipID 0x4E44 to xorg.conf. It was able to boost my fps considerably on my 9500s with this trick. Not that this is something I don't suspect AMD to support, but those extra 4 pipelines are there and in my cards work, I like using them. Plus nearly every version of the Windows driver has a copy with this hack.
                Funny, there have been times where even a real 9700 had a performance drop from one driver to the next. I can not verify this anymore. Of couse you can try modding the fglrx_drv.so directly - the PCIIDs are coded as ascii strings with 0x in front all uppercase.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Michael View Post
                  I am not sure for Mandriva other than contacting the Mandriva maintainer. I don't use Mandriva with fglrx.
                  Any thoughts on how to find this "magical" Mandriva package maintainer? I have looked through some of the files but can't find a name or email.

                  thanks

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by twistedself View Post
                    Any thoughts on how to find this "magical" Mandriva package maintainer? I have looked through some of the files but can't find a name or email.

                    thanks
                    Run --listpkg as an argument. It shows for Mandriva:

                    Package Maintainer(s): Arnaud Patard <apatard@mandriva.com>
                    Status: Verified
                    Mandriva Packages:
                    Mandriva/2006
                    Mandriva/2007
                    Mandriva/2008
                    Michael Larabel
                    http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                    • #85
                      Great. People are having huge problems. No 2.6.23, no AIGLX.
                      no xorg-server-1.4.

                      damn. back to x300 + opensource drivers.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Michael View Post
                        Run --listpkg as an argument. It shows for Mandriva:
                        Thanks, Just found it too.

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                        • #87
                          Great work - Framerates not an issue anymore!!!

                          The screen stays black instead though...
                          Hail to the new codebase!!

                          (It's a Mobility X600, though, which is not what the new driver is recommended for.)

                          For a few days I have been considering to buy a ATI card for my desktop system, I don't anymore.

                          Thanks for the hype, Michael...

                          --fexx

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Thetargos View Post
                            Yes, a feature of fragment programs for render to texture or otherwise called "render targets".
                            I just reloaded 8.40 without FSAA and got the gears to rotate on the cube. Apparently, FSAA kills this feature and this isn't a new point for 8.41. As you can tell I almost never run my setup with FSAA.

                            Originally posted by Thetargos View Post
                            IIRC, it didn't matter much when I had my 9500 if I had FSAA on or not, the performance was comparable. And if you want to do comparisons with Windows, for instance, you can disable AA there just to check. Texture tiling problems with FSAA enabled seems to be a common problem on some apps, and would be interesting to see if the new code base fixes them.
                            I know this is a rough test, but fgl_glxgears benchmarks:
                            Radeon 9500 8.40, no FSAA: 400 FPS
                            Radeon 9500 8.40, FSAA 4x: 165 FPS
                            Radeon 9700 Pro 8.38 FSAA 4x (either real or ChipID hack): 220 FPS.
                            Radeon 9500 8.41, no FSAA: 400 FPS

                            My favorite Linux game, Zelda64 in Mupen64 with the Rice plugin:
                            Radeon 9500 8.40, no FSAA: 50 FPS
                            Radeon 9500 8.40, FSAA 4x: 40 FPS
                            Radeon 9700 Pro 8.38 FSAA 4x: 55 FPS
                            Radeon 9500 8.41, no FSAA: 50 FPS

                            I haven't swapped in my real Radeon 9700 Pro to use 4.81, and the ChipID hack doesn't work, but I doubt I'll get any real performance increase.

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                            • #89
                              Upon digging a little more, I have to say I'm pretty pissed about this release.

                              We got so many promises about how great this release would be and that the only thing we had to wait for in 8.42 was the AIGLX support...

                              Then we get this driver and it's a virtual trainwreck and fails on many of the promises.

                              It only supports the HD2000 series and seems to even break or have less support for everything else.

                              My card is still seen incorrectly as a PCIE card having HALF the RAM it actually does... and now glesx crashes X so that now I have even less functionality than I had before.

                              After all the promises of the new driver being so great... and the last few days anxiously looking forward to being able to use 3D in Linux... I get this garbage today and we're told to wait another month (or MORE!) to MAYBE get a driver that actually works for the rest of us.

                              We never got a straight answer on the support for the AGP X1000 series cards... I've never once seen an answer as to why my 512MB card only reports 256MB mem...

                              And before anyone gives me grief about buying an ATI card, I was an nVidia guy for years and bought an ATI because of the incredible performance in the 9700pro when it came out. I made the switch and at the time was using the nVidia card in my linux box and the 9700pro in my windows box and was perfectly happy. I recently upgraded to an AGP X1600Pro 512MB card and was thrilled with the increase in performance in windows... and so I decided to try out Ubuntu on my main desktop machine with this video card a few weeks ago...

                              First I find out that basically I'll have no usable 3D. This was upsetting... then I find out a week ago that we'll be getting a dramatically updated driver that will fix essentially all of our problems (except for AIGLX) and have dramatically better performance etc. So I'm thrilled and anxious for the release so I can FINALLY use my Linux desktop with 3D applications...

                              Yeah... I'm a little pissed.

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                              • #90
                                I see what tactics ATI has

                                just add support for R600, so that they are officially supported
                                , for older cards they dont give a f**k...They already gave us money

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