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  • #46
    Originally posted by Lemonzest View Post
    permanently burned is a misconception, most Intel and Phenom CPU's can upgrade the microcode, tho it needs to be done on every boot else it falls back to the bios version.
    If you read the text you quoted that's exactly what I said...

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Michael View Post
      Years ago, AMD also requested how process names are made within the Phoronix Test Suite (i.e. doom3-benchmark vs. d3-benchmark), so maybe I'll run some benchmarks that generate obscure process names to see if the blob is still doing funny checks.
      Interesting... This is highly illegal. The largest damage will be done to PTS, because it will not be considered reliable benchmark anymore. I also think it would be nice to generate obscure names every time a blob is used, regardless of manufacturer. Blob can't be trusted. When blob does 3x better frame rate compared to opensource version, the opensource developers will be left wondering and users will be led into wrong impression by benchmark.

      This is like doping in sports. It belongs into disqualification, IMHO.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by barkas View Post
        Nope. It's just wrong. A driver should never ever do something depending on process name. Possibly they should report ATI in any case - they obviously did not dare to change it on windows, why should they do it for linux?
        they cant do it on windows or they will break a lot of stuff. they are relying on the process name since a long time even on windows, take a look at the file atiogl.xml . if you know a better way to detect a specific apps tell them.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by disgrace View Post
          they cant do it on windows or they will break a lot of stuff. they are relying on the process name since a long time even on windows, take a look at the file atiogl.xml . if you know a better way to detect a specific apps tell them.
          How about a compatibility checkbox in CCC?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by bleubugs View Post
            dcc24: do you write a Composite Manager ? My guess is no as if you were, you would just agree.
            So what? That developer might be right in saying that, but it still doesn't make this *thing* an actual article with any level of journalistic integrity.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Vi0L0 View Post
              diff -uN glxinfo wine_glxinfo:

              -OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
              +OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
              Not terribly surprising. Wine doesn't have to test for the NVidia vendor string before enabling NVidia-specific fixes because they develop for NVidia hardware by default and then fix up anything that doesn't work on AMD later.

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              • #52
                One anecdote from one guy who ran into one stupid problem years ago does not make for an interesting story. It is also not evidence that the Catalyst drivers are, today on modern hardware, junk.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by molecule-eye View Post
                  One anecdote from one guy who ran into one stupid problem years ago does not make for an interesting story. It is also not evidence that the Catalyst drivers are, today on modern hardware, junk.
                  Though it makes for quite a few ad hits from the sensationalism and the ensuing "yeah fglrx is teh sux" rally in the forum... Mission accomplished.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by makomk View Post
                    Not terribly surprising. Wine doesn't have to test for the NVidia vendor string before enabling NVidia-specific fixes because they develop for NVidia hardware by default and then fix up anything that doesn't work on AMD later.
                    No. This has nothing to do with Wine and everything to do with crappy Windows programs.

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                    • #55
                      fglrx only shows "Advanced Micro Devices, Inc." when it detects glxinfo, take a look at /etc/ati/atiogl.xml
                      Code:
                              <!-- glxinfo -->
                              <profile exename="glxinfo">
                                      <OpenGLCapsEx>0x02000000</OpenGLCapsEx>
                              </profile>

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by .CME. View Post
                        fglrx only shows "Advanced Micro Devices, Inc." when it detects glxinfo, take a look at /etc/ati/atiogl.xml
                        Code:
                                <!-- glxinfo -->
                                <profile exename="glxinfo">
                                        <OpenGLCapsEx>0x02000000</OpenGLCapsEx>
                                </profile>
                        That sort of negates any usefulness glxinfo may have. That hack is, indeed, unbelievably stupid.

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                        • #57
                          Will this Catalyst hate of Michael Larabel never end? Will there be a time when he is bored of that ATI/AMD bashing?

                          I mean, you can find a person that hates a specific software - for every software. But, only Catalyst haters will make it on the Phoronix front page.
                          I, for example could hate the nvidia driver as it triggered Kwin slow downs in my notebook for years. There were many complaints in the nvnews forum and Kwin coder Martin was really annoyed of the nvidia-black-box...

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by mibo View Post
                            Will this Catalyst hate of Michael Larabel never end? Will there be a time when he is bored of that ATI/AMD bashing?

                            I mean, you can find a person that hates a specific software - for every software. But, only Catalyst haters will make it on the Phoronix front page.
                            I, for example could hate the nvidia driver as it triggered Kwin slow downs in my notebook for years. There were many complaints in the nvnews forum and Kwin coder Martin was really annoyed of the nvidia-black-box...

                            The thing is: I installed Fedora_17_x64 on three friends computers. One of them has a fast RadeonHD6970 card, the others an Nvidia_Fermi version. We agreed to play together the famous MMORPG Tera_Online, on Linux-Wine-Winetricks. The one with AMD card had to go back to dual installation with Windows7, wile i try to convince him to sell the card (a card that doesn't play half the D3D games). That's not WINEs fault, the game doesn't wont the card because its crappy. I am not a fan of any company and I dislike monetary-systems, but if you want the good stuff (Linux), you there are 2 roads: 1)If you are a gamer, you buy Nvidia. 2)If you not, you buy Intel and free stuff.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by artivision View Post
                              The thing is: I installed Fedora_17_x64 on three friends computers. One of them has a fast RadeonHD6970 card, the others an Nvidia_Fermi version. We agreed to play together the famous MMORPG Tera_Online, on Linux-Wine-Winetricks. The one with AMD card had to go back to dual installation with Windows7, wile i try to convince him to sell the card (a card that doesn't play half the D3D games). That's not WINEs fault, the game doesn't wont the card because its crappy. I am not a fan of any company and I dislike monetary-systems, but if you want the good stuff (Linux), you there are 2 roads: 1)If you are a gamer, you buy Nvidia. 2)If you not, you buy Intel and free stuff.
                              Well I find nvidia's installer way more difficult to use especially for new linux users than AMD's one, I don't like the way nvidia treats the community by using only proprietary ways in enabling their devices (I fully agree with Linus) , don't forget that VDPAU in order to work needs the nvidia blob to be installed...
                              In real life the only disadvantage I see between the 2 blobs is that AMD's XVBA is still practically useless and still only with the VAAPI workaround can be of any use.
                              I use a Radeon HD 5850 card and never had problems with Catalyst nor Gallium 3D except in the 2nd case the fan noise and not dropping down the clocks.
                              By the way a friend of mine owns a Sapphire HD 6970 card and doesn't seem to run on any problems with D3D games at the small n' soft OS.
                              For me intel is just something to laugh about in the graphics industry and design, no matter how open or good are their drivers the hardware is at least awful... Even the HD 4000 cores cannot compete at all with AMD llano APUs not to say about trinity...
                              Definately for me Catalyst is not junk but it has to completely reject the pre new era stuff from its lines of code!

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by djdoo View Post
                                Well I find nvidia's installer way more difficult to use especially for new linux users than AMD's one, I don't like the way nvidia treats the community by using only proprietary ways in enabling their devices (I fully agree with Linus) , don't forget that VDPAU in order to work needs the nvidia blob to be installed...
                                In real life the only disadvantage I see between the 2 blobs is that AMD's XVBA is still practically useless and still only with the VAAPI workaround can be of any use.
                                I use a Radeon HD 5850 card and never had problems with Catalyst nor Gallium 3D except in the 2nd case the fan noise and not dropping down the clocks.
                                By the way a friend of mine owns a Sapphire HD 6970 card and doesn't seem to run on any problems with D3D games at the small n' soft OS.
                                For me intel is just something to laugh about in the graphics industry and design, no matter how open or good are their drivers the hardware is at least awful... Even the HD 4000 cores cannot compete at all with AMD llano APUs not to say about trinity...
                                Definately for me Catalyst is not junk but it has to completely reject the pre new era stuff from its lines of code!

                                1) Your friend lie to you. Its not just the AMD Driver, but the hardware its a 3 times crap. X1900-HD3000=fake GPGPU promise. HD4000=broken OpenCL. HD5000-HD6000=no atomic operation exposure and anything lower than assembly (nothing like C-amp will work). HD7000=driver cheats in quality, so they pretend a 3.8Tflops@32bit card can be on par with Kepler(3.2Tflops@64bit__6.4Tflops@32bit) that is 70+% stronger. And on top of that half the D3D games wont even start and some times even OpenGL games will crush. VDPAU will not wok even if a developer try to do it, the cards are not just capable. And even if it work, i don't think that will do for the advanced futures of H264.

                                2) Intel HD4000 is on par with a 500Gflops 400shaders card, both on Windows and Linux. The code of Linux Driver its much more cleaner than Catalyst or Nvidia. Yes they don't have some futures, but everything they have works better than closed shit, and when the time comes and they have better things like Tessellation, they will crush the others.

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