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  • looking for old ati proprietary drivers, are they gone for good?

    hey, so it turns out that the extreme lag I have on some of my old HP laptops under linux is all due to a open source driver issue and since ati has dropped all support for old cards I have spent a hour or so looking for their flgx proprietary driver from circa 2007... namely the linux catalyst 7.12 (or the last one that supports RS200)

    I understand I would be stuck with a old kernel but it would still beat using XP on the HP laptops... trouble is all the links to www2.ati all the links to the files I can find are dead...

    are these drivers gone for good?

  • #2
    You'd be stuck using old X and old libs too, basically several years old distro. Good luck getting any recent apps on that.

    Also, the r200 fglrx was extremely buggy. Like, the current fglrx ^ 15. You do not want to experience that.

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    • #3
      yes, that's what I could gather from what I red online. But right now the desktop and even the powerpc are running linx so, frankly, I would really like to get the HP laptops running linux aswel... they load the oss radeon driver just fine but it's unusable because of the lag/fallback mode etc etc


      even if it's something like ubuntu 8 as long as it's responsive I'm fine with running old versions

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      • #4
        You really should find out why it's slow rather than go for an old distro with ancient fglrx. You'd likely get even worse performance, since even current fglrx loses in 2d, back then the difference was greater.

        Ie, instead of fallback mode, install another de. Xfce, lxde, whatever.

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        • #5
          Is your chipset an Xpress 200 (aka rs480) for AMD processors or an rs200 for Intel processors ?

          If it's an Xpress 200 the 9.3 driver seems to be new enough (makes sense, since the GPU was a cut-down r300 core) but if it's an rs200 (which seems to be rv50 based) I didn't think we ever supported that in fglrx.

          If it's an Xpress 200 try going to http://www.amd.com, then click on Support & Drivers, then pick Motherboard & Chipsets for the first entry.

          I would argue for the open drivers as well though -- what do you mean by "lag/fallback mode" ? If it is an rn50 then you might want to try ums as a first step.

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          • #6
            Hi Pallidus,

            According to this page (scroll down to the bottom), the last driver supporting should be the one before V8.28.8 which is V8.27.10.

            You can find the 32bit driver here, 64bit here and, to be complete, release notes.

            Good luck
            Sceptic

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            • #7
              thanks for the replies.

              Southbridge intel, this particular card is actually a IGP 345m rs200 agp from circa 2004, it was used in HP, dell and sony vaio laptops I believe. .

              In windows you have to force install drivers for IGP340 but the perfomance you get is good enough for what I want (browse the web, watch vlc videos (non hd) etc...)

              Under linux it lags painfully, cpu load is close to 100% and it crashes if you open 3 or 4 youtube tabs... video playback is choppy... I have tried them all and even lxde lags... only ones that you can manage are enlightment (so far the fastest) and openbox

              But this has got to be a driver issue and not a hw one since I have less powerful integrated graphics from nvidia on an older laptop and it doesn't lag only using the kernel drivers.

              glxgears is "194 frames in 5.0 seconds = 38.789 FPS"

              "01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M [1002:4337] "

              CONFIG_AGP=y
              CONFIG_AGP_ALI=y
              CONFIG_AGP_ATI=y
              CONFIG_AGP_AMD=y
              CONFIG_AGP_AMD64=y
              CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=y
              CONFIG_AGP_NVIDIA=y
              CONFIG_AGP_SIS=y
              CONFIG_AGP_SWORKS=y
              CONFIG_AGP_VIA=y
              CONFIG_AGP_EFFICEON=y


              display: :0 screen: 0
              direct rendering: Yes
              server glx vendor string: SGI
              server glx version string: 1.4
              client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI
              client glx version string: 1.4
              GLX version: 1.4
              OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
              OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R100 (RS200 4337) NO-TCL DRI2
              OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 8.0.2

              [ 1.000992] [drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810
              [ 1.071003] [drm] radeon defaulting to kernel modesetting.
              [ 1.071044] [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled.
              [ 1.081338] [drm] initializing kernel modesetting (RS200 0x1002:0x4337 0x103C:0x0850).
              [ 1.081393] [drm] register mmio base: 0xD4300000
              [ 1.081396] [drm] register mmio size: 65536
              [ 1.081748] [drm] Supports vblank timestamp caching Rev 1 (10.10.2010).
              [ 1.081750] [drm] Driver supports precise vblank timestamp query.
              [ 1.081767] [drm] radeon: irq initialized.
              [ 1.082725] [drm] Detected VRAM RAM=32M, BAR=64M
              [ 1.082732] [drm] RAM width 64bits DDR
              [ 1.086156] [drm] radeon: 32M of VRAM memory ready
              [ 1.086160] [drm] radeon: 64M of GTT memory ready.
              [ 1.086219] [drm] radeon: ib pool ready.
              [ 1.110580] [drm] fence driver on ring 0 use gpu addr 0xd8000000 and cpu addr 0xf7c2e000
              [ 1.111845] [drm] Loading R100 Microcode
              [ 1.114129] [drm] radeon: ring at 0x00000000D8001000
              [ 1.114156] [drm] ring test succeeded in 1 usecs
              [ 1.114645] [drm] ib test succeeded in 0 usecs
              [ 1.115365] [drm] Panel ID String: LGP
              [ 1.115369] [drm] Panel Size 1024x768
              [ 1.126663] [drm] radeon legacy LVDS backlight initialized
              [ 1.126782] [drm] Radeon Display Connectors
              [ 1.126786] [drm] Connector 0:
              [ 1.126788] [drm] VGA
              [ 1.126792] [drm] DDC: 0x60 0x60 0x60 0x60 0x60 0x60 0x60 0x60
              [ 1.126794] [drm] Encoders:
              [ 1.126796] [drm] CRT1: INTERNAL_DAC1
              [ 1.126798] [drm] Connector 1:
              [ 1.126800] [drm] LVDS
              [ 1.126802] [drm] DDC: 0x198 0x198 0x19c 0x19c 0x1a0 0x1a0 0x1a4 0x1a4
              [ 1.126804] [drm] Encoders:
              [ 1.126806] [drm] LCD1: INTERNAL_LVDS
              [ 1.126808] [drm] Connector 2:
              [ 1.126810] [drm] S-video
              [ 1.126811] [drm] Encoders:
              [ 1.126813] [drm] TV1: INTERNAL_DAC2
              [ 1.247614] [drm] fb mappable at 0xDC040000
              [ 1.247619] [drm] vram apper at 0xDC000000
              [ 1.247622] [drm] size 786432
              [ 1.247623] [drm] fb depth is 8
              [ 1.247625] [drm] pitch is 1024
              [ 1.247888] fbcon: radeondrmfb (fb0) is primary device
              [ 1.318851] fb0: radeondrmfb frame buffer device
              [ 1.318854] drm: registered panic notifier
              [ 1.318870] [drm] Initialized radeon 2.13.0 20080528 for 0000:01:05.0 on minor 0


              from what I red online the last version of linux catalyst to support rs2000 was 7.12 from 2007, I actually don't know if it was even supported at all but I'm willing to try before I trash these laptops and since this OSS driver seems to be from 2008 (radeon 2.13.0 20080528) it's not like they have it improved much anyway

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              • #8
                Try

                vblank_mode=0 glxgears

                but below 60 fps it is really low...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                  from what I red online the last version of linux catalyst to support rs2000 was 7.12 from 2007, I actually don't know if it was even supported at all but I'm willing to try before I trash these laptops and since this OSS driver seems to be from 2008 (radeon 2.13.0 20080528) it's not like they have it improved much anyway
                  If you want to try 7.12 go to this page.
                  At the bottom you will find a link to the installer, but instead of clicking it, copy the link address and paste it into the address bar of your browser.
                  You then have to edit the link from

                  https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206...x86.x86_64.run

                  to

                  https:/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.443.1-x86.x86_64.run

                  (or copy the above )

                  Sceptic

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                  • #10
                    Wasted time, to use 8.28.8 you need a very old kernel and xorg 7.1. Best get rid of that crap if you want to use current kernel+xorg. xorg 7.1 was released 22 May 2006, so if you really want to try it you would need to use a distro from that stone age, like u 6.06 maybe.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                      But this has got to be a driver issue and not a hw one since I have less powerful integrated graphics from nvidia on an older laptop and it doesn't lag only using the kernel drivers.
                      I don't think NVidia ever *made* anything less powerful. The GPU in there is basically an RN50 with slow clocks -- single pipe, no TCL.

                      It doesn't get any less powerful than that

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                      • #12
                        Sceptic

                        I got the 46meg bin thanks man


                        Kano these won't work in hardy heron ubuntu 8? I didn't want to have to go lower than that


                        birdman: mobility radeon 9000 and 9200 (I know sum1 with a laptop with1) and all the igp's prior to this one, igp 320 330 340 are worse than this one

                        as bad as this card is it should at least function properly

                        from the ubuntu wiki:

                        "Accelerated 3D support

                        All these Radeon(HD) cards and derivatives have good 3D acceleration support

                        R100 Radeon 7200
                        RV100 Radeon 7000(VE), M6, RN50/ES1000
                        RS100 Radeon IGP320(M)
                        RV200 Radeon 7500, M7, FireGL 7800
                        RS200 Radeon IGP330(M)/IGP340(M)
                        RS250 Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP "
                        I'Someone should have tested it right?


                        one thing I can't figure out

                        I'm running the 3.3.4 kernel, and the open source xorg f86 ati driver is in the kernel itself right?

                        so why does it load version 2.x from 2008 ????

                        [drm] Initialized radeon 2.13.0 2008052



                        there's something really broken with mine, and I take it, all the old ati cards with the open source xorg drivers and it's pretty much the only driver we can run


                        but with synaptics packet manager it says I already have the xf86 ati bla bla package installed

                        I can't figure this out, I don't know maybe someone who has figured this out for this 2004 laptops will chime in or else I'm going to give up

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                        • #13
                          @Pallidus

                          Impossible, there was Xserver 1.4 (from Xorg 7.3). But you need 7.1.

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                          • #14
                            Haha, back then the only differentiating thing with those igp models was 10MHz core clock Who whoulda thunk it, in the dark ages it was commercially viable to make bins separated by a rounding error.

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                            • #15
                              ok as I suspected it's not just me, reading this spanish forum many people with older ati cards have the same lag, crap perfomance

                              talking about removing driver and compiling it with different settings or running as vesa


                              I'm giving up. ati under linux is a no go

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