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  • #16
    Originally posted by Regenwald View Post
    i'm sure that michael is the only one who votet for the last option: "The best option for graphics drivers"...
    He hasn't.

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    • #17
      I hope they will improve performance (as in speed, mostly). I suppose that is the biggest challenge. As for AIGLX, can it really be hard to implement? It seems funny that open source drivers can handle it, but it's still too difficult to do for the fglrx team.
      But anyway, I'm looking forward to the new driver, and will postpone publishing my "ATI is deliberately keeping Linux drivers bad, possibly paid by Microsoft" hypothesis until it is out and tested.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by d2kx View Post
        He hasn't.
        Ah... I guess we know who that vote belongs to then...

        Anyway, I guess we will know how the new driver turn out to be... But I think, judging from the poll so far, I guess not many of us is getting excited over it.
        Last edited by lenrek; 09-02-2007, 07:33 AM.

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        • #19
          lol
          well, i think that at least the opengl performance in windows, linux and mac are going to be nearly the same (perhaps 20% performance difference, not more). There was once an interview with an ati engineer and he said that the new driver will be based on the same codebase.
          has someone still this link? i would like to read it again^^. (it was in "the truth about amd/ati" i think, but honestly, i don't know )

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          • #20
            Originally posted by container View Post
            I hope they will improve performance (as in speed, mostly). I suppose that is the biggest challenge. As for AIGLX, can it really be hard to implement? It seems funny that open source drivers can handle it, but it's still too difficult to do for the fglrx team.
            It's not that it's still too difficult- it's that they never really put the needed manpower on the currently shipping codebase versions of fglrx to fix things like that and the glaring, embarassing performance problem (Half of an already admittedly weak showing in the Windows world isn't very good at all...).

            It appears that the situation has changed with the new owners- just not as quickly as they needed it to be happening. They've got something in hand that will allow them to give us AIGLX fairly easily, but concerns about them not understanding Linux well enough at the kernel level to get the performance up linger. I guess we'll see if they've figured out what they were doing wrong with their interrupt processing, etc. on the new drivers when they come out.

            But anyway, I'm looking forward to the new driver, and will postpone publishing my "ATI is deliberately keeping Linux drivers bad, possibly paid by Microsoft" hypothesis until it is out and tested.
            It wasn't that they were bought. ATI's upper management thought differently of the entire picture; they were going for where they thought the money was at- DirectX support and Set-Top boxes. Heh... We know where that's been going of late. OpenGL is very relevent everywhere OTHER than on Windows and X-Box as that's really the only segments that use them and the larger market doesn't USE Microsoft in the space; it's all VxWorks, RTEMS, pSOS, Linux, and Symbian. >:-)

            They got a clue somewhere along the way (AMD buying them?) and got cracking on fixing the mess they made for themselves. The biggest question would be do they have it coming up or did they miss the mark with the new codebase...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Regenwald View Post
              lol
              well, i think that at least the opengl performance in windows, linux and mac are going to be nearly the same (perhaps 20% performance difference, not more). There was once an interview with an ati engineer and he said that the new driver will be based on the same codebase.
              has someone still this link? i would like to read it again^^. (it was in "the truth about amd/ati" i think, but honestly, i don't know )
              Shouldn't be any performance difference if they've got the interfaces to the OSes done right. The Windows and Linux drivers are expected to be based off of the same main codebase, with interfaces to the OS accordingly done. The MacOS version of the OpenGL layer is a slightly different beastie, with Apple providing the userspace layers and the hardware vendors providing mainly the hardware level hooks for the OS and the userspace piece to drive, much more like the MesaGL/DRI code design.

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              • #22
                what do you think: will it have support for opengl 3?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Regenwald View Post
                  what do you think: will it have support for opengl 3?
                  Not when the initial new driver release is out.
                  Michael Larabel
                  http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                  • #24
                    I think ATI's new driver will be pretty decent, when it comes out that is. Will it beat nVidia drivers? I think it may come close in the beginning and if ATI/AMD keep up the work on it, it will in time. But I think on release it will be good enough to please us all......

                    Or at least I hope.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Malikith View Post
                      I think ATI's new driver will be pretty decent, when it comes out that is. Will it beat nVidia drivers? I think it may come close in the beginning and if ATI/AMD keep up the work on it, it will in time. But I think on release it will be good enough to please us all......

                      Or at least I hope.
                      Your question will be answered in the near future.
                      Michael Larabel
                      http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Michael View Post
                        Your question will be answered in the near future.
                        The problem is that the concept of near future is relative... We are always expecting that the next release is "the good one". Unfortunatelly it has been quite the opposite.

                        It would have been nice for AMD/ATI to have released a decent driver (with AIGLX support) in time for Ubuntu 7.10, but now it's too late.

                        But I'll keep my fingers crossed for the next one... I might be surprised.

                        I doubt the new driver will beat nVidia's... Not at first instance at least.

                        And I think it's difficult to compare performance between Windows and Linux, as there is much more things to consider than only the OpenGL driver. Of course the actual driver has very poor performance, but if we could only get near Windows performance, that would be nice.

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                        • #27
                          wtf with the windows comparison already! ATI's OpenGL performance has always been bad, even in windows. The way I remember it, there's little performance difference in OpenGL between the two drivers.
                          Those of you asking for windows performance are asking for a bad driver! (they might listen).

                          I want a driver that can fulfill my graphics card's potential (and that's not the windows driver).

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Nicolas View Post
                            The problem is that the concept of near future is relative... We are always expecting that the next release is "the good one". Unfortunatelly it has been quite the opposite.

                            If I said anything other than "near future" or "later this year" or "this fall", AMD would probably send a hit squad after me . Just know that it is in the near future and that fall in the US is very close, or if you consider fall the start when students go back to school, we are in fall already.
                            Michael Larabel
                            http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Michael View Post
                              If I said anything other than "near future" or "later this year" or "this fall", AMD would probably send a hit squad after me . Just know that it is in the near future and that fall in the US is very close, or if you consider fall the start when students go back to school, we are in fall already.
                              I hope so.God bless us!

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                              • #30
                                FYI, if you subscribe to the Phoronix Forums and in your control panel options area have selected "Allow Administrator Email", you will be automatically notified when the announcement is made...
                                Michael Larabel
                                http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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