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  • #46
    No problem with radeon.

    Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
    what do you mean? i use my hd4770 with the radeon driver no problem here.
    For sure it's ok for desktop - this is what I use (radeon and hd4770) and I agree with you : it works... but this is certainly not ok if you want to use the "real" openGL capacity of the card.

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    • #47
      Never would have thought...

      ... That I would actually say "but but but", *BUT* my ATI 3870 still powers any and all games I currently care to play. I used to game hard, but getting married and having a couple kids put the skids on that. I run a Q6600 with 8gigs ram and that 3870. Not a new system, but it actually does reasonably well. I admit I am strongly considering a new build for mid next year anyway, but them more or less killing a part of my current system is pretty annoying. I like to run fairly up to date distro's, these days Fedora. Oh well, now I have to consider even more carefully than usual what my new system will be. It should be interesting.

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      • #48
        Here we go again.
        First sentence of the article:
        Word is breaking today on the Windows-focused web-sites that AMD's Catalyst driver program has fundamentally changed.
        Translation:
        WHAT FOLLOWS ARE SPECULATIONS WITH ADDED SPIN TO DRIVE AD REVENUE.
        But no, as usual, most are all too happy to go ape shit crazy, it's "gratuitous AMD bashing time", yay! Actually, thank you guys, a lots of your replies will come handy when people claim Linux isn't idiot-proof enough.

        So first we have the "AMD doesn't support my hardware anymore waaaa waaaa". Correction: dx10-level hardware is relegated to the Gallium3D drivers soon.
        For a reminder of how the Gallium3D driver performs on "legacy" hardware:
        http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...histq111&num=4
        http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...our_r300&num=3
        And those had to wait for the Gallium3D framework to get in decent shape + additional documentation. Also now it's even a bigger incentive for AMD to have r600g keep up.

        dx10 gear, guys... You know, gfx cards with that vista stigma microsoft wants to get rid of asap... win8 is coming up in case you haven't heard *hint hint*. Yes it sucks that we're pretty much stuck with gazillions of Q3A clones when looking for games, but time for a reality check here.

        Then we have the "just kill fglrx" crowd making smartass comments. Double standards much? Go thow yourself off a cliff and take the nvidia wannabe salesmen with you. Or at the very least, undergo a vasectomy.

        Where am I left with my 4850 HD if it's not working fine with the open drivers?
        Any *buntu 12.04 clone will do. No excuses.

        Even if one does not upgrade to new kernels (while there may be community patches) and recent xserver versions,
        who knows if Catalyst 12.4 plays well with upcoming games/engines?
        Who knows if your card will play well with upcoming games/engines? You can bet your house openGL2/dx9 are gonna be phased out right in time for the winxp/xbox 360 obituary, openGL3/dx10 was a dud.

        Awww some are gonna be personnally inconvenienced in the short term Yeah well tough luck. On the computer market, we're a minority. Deal with it.
        I'd say windows users are getting even more shafted. Difference is, on Linux AMD gives us the tools to fix drivers ourselves.

        HD4830 owner here, by the way.
        Last edited by PsynoKhi0; 05-31-2012, 06:51 PM.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by bridgman View Post
          You might want to wait for an actual announcement. I think you will find that the changes are in line with what folks here have been requesting / suggesting.
          but that would require logic and patience.

          You know.

          Something these forums aren't known for.

          I've pushed the Phoronix story to my own G+ feed while I wait to see if AMD puts anything in my own email inbox about this subject.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by rafirafi View Post
            For sure it's ok for desktop - this is what I use (radeon and hd4770) and I agree with you : it works... but this is certainly not ok if you want to use the "real" openGL capacity of the card.
            if you want to use real openGL capacity you use a outdated openGL version ? OpenGL4.1 is the minimum if you talk about REAL openCL Capacity

            people who need the greatest openGL capacity should buy new hardware and should not burn latency hardware user by there illusions.

            illusions because catalyst is a "lie"

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            • #51
              From here it seems pretty much official. It is a page about the 12.6 beta driver, telling that the monthly releases are gone and also it suggests (in some way) that the only supported hardware will be 5000 series and onwards.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by allquixotic View Post
                Nothing odd about that. AMD struggles to be competitive at all with Nvidia in the discrete graphics space (they're not doing so hot now that Kepler is again the performance king, but HD5000 was a good generation) and they are absolutely obliterated on the desktop CPU front. They have to be losing lots of money, which might be why they are cheapening their graphics driver support.

                Seriously though; Intel has been into the FOSS movement as a commercial supporter thereof for a decade or more. ATI tepidly stepped in with a small team of less than 10 people about 5 years ago. Intel supports ALL of their hardware on Linux with very few exceptions (e.g. when they license someone else's IP and that someone won't let them share any details in open code, like PowerlessVR Screwageneration Technologies). They invest heavily in development for the Linux kernel and userspace tools like powertop.

                If you ever had any doubt about the true king of FOSS support, erase that doubt now. Intel is the hardware support king of FOSS.

                I dual boot. I keep my monitors plugged into the Z77 motherboard. My Ivy Bridge 3770K plus the LucidLogix Virtu MVP chip lets me use my Radeon HD7970 for performance gaming without moving my monitor cables, on Windows. On Linux I just reboot and it uses the Ivy Bridge graphics. Performance is truly stellar (for Linux). Blows away anything anyone else has ever done with Mesa, in the entire history of Mesa. Absolutely obliterates it. r600g and nouveau don't even come remotely close.


                Intel the biggest abuser of their monopoly powers they make Microsoft look like angels, no thanks.

                When Intel opens ICC, makes graphics chips that display correct images and textures, when Intel quits paying off sites to make their chips look better in benchmarks then they really are, when Intel quits being being anti-consumer then we can talk.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by PsynoKhi0 View Post
                  Difference is, on Linux AMD gives us the tools to fix drivers ourselves.
                  And thus absolves them of the responsibility of supporting their products on Linux.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by johnc View Post
                    And thus absolves them of the responsibility of supporting their products on Linux.
                    ???

                    Last time I checked, Bridgman was an AMD employee, who is writing code for the linux platform.

                    My R600 performs much better now than it did a year ago. So somebody is doing something.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by halfmanhalfamazing View Post
                      Last time I checked, Bridgman was an AMD employee...
                      ...as are a number of other developers at AMD who are actually working on the code (rather than my pointy-haired boss contributions )
                      Last edited by bridgman; 05-31-2012, 07:59 PM.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by allquixotic View Post
                        Nothing odd about that. AMD struggles to be competitive at all with Nvidia in the discrete graphics space (they're not doing so hot now that Kepler is again the performance king, but HD5000 was a good generation) and they are absolutely obliterated on the desktop CPU front. They have to be losing lots of money, which might be why they are cheapening their graphics driver support.
                        AMD graphics and CPU divisions were both profitable last year. However, the company as a whole is still taking huge writeoffs on Global Foundries which push it into the red.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                          ...as are a number of other developers at AMD who are actually working on the code (rather than my pointy-haired boss contributions )
                          I thought your job is keeping the Phoronix crowd calm.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by entropy View Post
                            I thought your job is keeping the Phoronix crowd calm.
                            Especially now that Michael has finally lost it.

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                            • #59
                              4200 here

                              Originally posted by Tiger_Coder View Post
                              I guess I am ok with my integrated HD 4250 until Ubuntu 12.10 comes. But then I am f*cked. I don't have enough money to bye a new card(I bought the new PC just last year) nor I would like to stay with old Ubuntu release. And OSS still not a option for me as integrated HD 4250 is already low performing graphics card, my Arch installation with OSS drivers don't support playing DOOM3, UT2004 or games with wine(I am not hardcore gamer but I play some).

                              Worst is with Catalyst 12.4 Windows driver is also broken in 7 with OpenGL games on my config. Looks like its a no game situation
                              Even worse is hdmi out on OSS. I made the mistake years ago purchasing a 9000. I thought it would be an upgrade over my TNT2 Ultra.
                              The 9800 was worse. Now I got a 4200 built in. Soon as I can figure out the numbers game of Nvidia I'm going with a GTX if I can afford one.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by not.sure View Post
                                Especially now that Michael has finally lost it.
                                AMD got a BAD disillusion even on the windows side there every month a new driver and we don't care about new game releases until the next driver comes on a regular basic way to go was just a disaster for games like: Diablo3 on windows.
                                with a simple pipeline every 3 month a stable release and a puplic alpfa and a puplic beta and hotfix drivers for games like diablo 3 games like diablo 3 can deal with it much more easily
                                the problem with diablo3 was somthing like this catalyst have a bug and the game developers write a workarround but the next driver released on amd side fix this bug and the workaround "fail" because of this diablo3 worked with the catalyst 12.3 but not with the catalyst 12.4 but most people downloading the driver from there website only get 12.4 and they get a lot of pain with diablo3 because they trusted amd that 12.4 is the best driver for there card. people without any clue installed the driver from CD 12.3 and played diablo3 and wondering why so many people can't play diablo3...

                                in the future model diablo3 would know what driver version is in the market on release date.

                                anyway with the opensource driver companys like Valve and Blizzard can pay people to fix the driver problems for there games thats the best of all ways.

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