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    I installed Catalsyst driver from fglrx-updates (2:8.960-0ubuntu1) and games like Xonotic and ut2k4 are unplayable. When there are bots appearing or there's some action games are stuttering badly (not to mention I can't change graphic settings in Xonotic, because it crashes). With Open Source Radeon drivers they work flawlessly. I also ran Unigine Heaven to check if fglrx is installed correctly and it ran without problems.

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    Funny, i mainly tested Heaven and gl2benchmark (and Rage/wine but was very bad) with fglrx but not Xonotic I still don't get why Linux users get AMD gfx cards to play games...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Kano View Post
      Funny, i mainly tested Heaven and gl2benchmark (and Rage/wine but was very bad) with fglrx but not Xonotic I still don't get why Linux users get AMD gfx cards to play games...
      I bought it to play Fallout: New Vegas and Skyrim under Windows. I heard it's working better with those games. However, I can't confirm this, because I have many problems. Under Linux it's only usable with Open Source drivers for me.

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      • #4
        And you talk about which card? I mainly use hd 5670 as my hd 4550 seems to be soon legacy.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kano View Post
          And you talk about which card? I mainly use hd 5670 as my hd 4550 seems to be soon legacy.
          Mine is hd 6570.

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          • #6
            Well not really a gamer card, maybe just sell it and get something better.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kano View Post
              Well not really a gamer card, maybe just sell it and get something better.
              No kidding. UT2k4 is an old game and while it works much better with Open Source drivers then there's something wrong with Catalyst. Next time I'll buy nVidia, that's for sure.

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              • #8
                Usually it is not hard to find a bug in fglrx. You find bugs in nvidia as well, but usually those do not last that long.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kano View Post
                  Usually it is not hard to find a bug in fglrx. You find bugs in nvidia as well, but usually those do not last that long.
                  At least nVidia has unofficial forum. It's hard to tell if it's just a bug or something else. Such strange slowdowns aren't something common. It looks like caching issue.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                    At least nVidia has unofficial forum. It's hard to tell if it's just a bug or something else. Such strange slowdowns aren't something common. It looks like caching issue.
                    i dropped the catalyst for linux gaming the fglrx linux catalyst burn my mmr points in HON.
                    the windows clind in wine runs faster on the radeon opensource driver than the native linux clind run on the catalyst.
                    AMD claim that the catalyst is "faster" the "benchmarks" on phoronix claim the same but if you count mouse-input and keyboard input the catalyst do have some nasty input-lag bugs in hon this makes the driver complete useless!

                    i get the fastest mouse and keyboard input with the radeon driver !

                    gaming and hardcore gaming is not about fucking FRAMES PER SECOND (FPS)! harcore gaming is about mouse/keyboard-input-latency with visual response!

                    and everytime i wana drop an intem to another players hero the game input lag and the graphik lag!

                    you will never get this in a "benchmark" because in a "benchmark" there is no mouse/keyboard input.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                      At least nVidia has unofficial forum.
                      So what? AMD have unofficial bugtracker, official tech. support and feedback form.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
                        Thanks for pointing this. I didn't know.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                          i dropped the catalyst for linux gaming the fglrx linux catalyst burn my mmr points in HON.
                          the windows clind in wine runs faster on the radeon opensource driver than the native linux clind run on the catalyst.
                          AMD claim that the catalyst is "faster" the "benchmarks" on phoronix claim the same but if you count mouse-input and keyboard input the catalyst do have some nasty input-lag bugs in hon this makes the driver complete useless!

                          i get the fastest mouse and keyboard input with the radeon driver !

                          gaming and hardcore gaming is not about fucking FRAMES PER SECOND (FPS)! harcore gaming is about mouse/keyboard-input-latency with visual response!

                          and everytime i wana drop an intem to another players hero the game input lag and the graphik lag!

                          you will never get this in a "benchmark" because in a "benchmark" there is no mouse/keyboard input.
                          I'm with you and I also had problems with HoN! I just realized they were Catalyst related. It's ridiculous I can't play nearly any game with Catalyst, because of damn lags. I thought there's something wrong with Xonotic, but with OS drivers it's flying. The same about ut2k4. I also tried StuntRally, 0ad and they're unplayable. StuntRally is very dark and runs slow like hell. In the past I had GF2 MX and Linux games worked better with it. The only solution is to use Open Source drivers or nVidia.

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                          • #14
                            What's this input lag you speak of? Are we talking 0.5 secs, 2 to 3 secs lag or?

                            Just curious. I haven't noticed anything like this with a 4870.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by storma View Post
                              What's this input lag you speak of? Are we talking 0.5 secs, 2 to 3 secs lag or?

                              Just curious. I haven't noticed anything like this with a 4870.
                              the input lags are not all the time its only if the game use some function.
                              in hon for example if you try to drop a intem on the ground or in an allied hero. then the game show a little picture over the normal game onside of your mouse pointer and in this moment the mouse input lag because the catalyst can't handle this.
                              but this functionality is essential in HON if you play as a support you need to drop heal pods on your allies to support them.
                              its more like 0.5 sec but you never hit the allied hero because they run around and you need to hit them with the item in battle!
                              if you turn of the desktop effects with the radeon driver you do have similar problems with exact the same effect and situation.
                              but the radeon driver runs very well with desktop effect activated.

                              i think the problem is the mouse acceleration if the mouse turn into a little picture of a "item" then the graphic acceleration fail and need to load the picture.

                              anyway without that but in fact the mouse input with the radeon driver is overall much better with direct visual response than the catalyst driver!

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