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  • This is even worse news for us older legacy card users, since now the community attention will surely focus on these newer cards. My best power management option on linux side is still Debian Lenny, and the best power management overall, Windows XP, feels a better system each day I spend with my work laptop's Windows 7. The 15-second startup is now closer to 15 minutes, of course not being the administrator makes the life more difficult so I don't know how well I could optimise Win7, but with Vista the recent "updates" made my computers so slow that I ditched it for good and use now only XP and Lenny. Too bad Windows 2000 doesn't equal XP in the power management (not a GPU driver problem since they use the same driver), since it really seems a lightweight OS nowadays.

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    • maybe the amd management (one of them do have the name bridgman) chose this faster catalyst drop because of this news: "AMD Evergreen Gallium3D Officially Does GLSL 1.30 AMD R600/R700 Gallium3D Confirms GLSL 1.30"

      maybe the opensource driver become the gold standard for latency support.

      and ubuntu 12.04 gets 5 years of support this means the opensource driver do have 5 years time to "speed up" maybe the ubuntu users upgrade in 5 years to a pure opensource solution and they don't lose anything.

      the r300 radeon driver prove this in 5 years the opensource community can do a lot of work for the r600 hardware.

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      • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
        maybe the amd management (one of them do have the name bridgman) chose this faster catalyst drop because of this news: "AMD Evergreen Gallium3D Officially Does GLSL 1.30 AMD R600/R700 Gallium3D Confirms GLSL 1.30
        Or maybe Bridgman has nothing to do with that kind of thing (as he's noted himself) and the decision was entirely made based on Windows side...

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        • Originally posted by DanL View Post
          Or maybe Bridgman has nothing to do with that kind of thing (as he's noted himself) and the decision was entirely made based on Windows side...
          "(as he's noted himself)" quote? source?
          in fact bridgman also vote against the AGP bus this means he really do such stuff.

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          • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
            "(as he's noted himself)" quote? source?
            in fact bridgman also vote against the AGP bus this means he really do such stuff.
            From here (emphasis mine):

            Originally posted by bridgman View Post
            Sure it's a simple question, but I certainly can't give you an answer.

            It seems highly unlikely, particularly since we do enable HDMI audio in the Linux Catalyst drivers, but if we were I wouldn't know about it anyways.
            In response to you in the immediately previous post:

            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
            does AMD get money from Microsoft or Hollywood to cripple the HDMI audio on linux?

            Simple question I'm sure you can give me a answer.
            Q, before you start making crazy theories about how Bridgman has influence in the Catalyst team, please work a corporate job for a couple months. I don't care where; you could even work one in Germany and get the same feel. What's important is that you gain real-world experience of working in a large enterprise (preferably one that sells products all over the globe) and see just how much different teams are separated.

            I work for a corporation, and I can tell you that there is no way in hell another team would come to me and ask me for my "vote" on some issue that is not directly part of my job description. The only information that bridgman gets about Catalyst is the same information that you or I could get -- the only difference is that he can occasionally catch someone from the Catalyst team in the hall, and ask them directly, instead of having to submit a support request and waiting a while to get an answer.

            As far as Catalyst is concerned, think of bridgman as a well-informed end user. Nothing more. He is not part of their team, so he is not part of their decision-making process. End of story. This is how corporations work. All of them. All of them.

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            • Originally posted by allquixotic View Post
              Q, before you start making crazy theories about how Bridgman has influence in the Catalyst team,
              he tells me in the past that he vote against any future AGP cards.
              this means because of his influence (not only his but he still is involved) there are no future AGP cards.
              he also write here in the past that he as a manager vote for spending the latency support money into the open-source driver instead of latency catalyst driver support like the latency catalyst in windows.
              for me this sounds to familiar to the situation right now.

              Originally posted by allquixotic View Post
              please work a corporate job for a couple months. I don't care where; you could even work one in Germany and get the same feel. What's important is that you gain real-world experience of working in a large enterprise (preferably one that sells products all over the globe) and see just how much different teams are separated.
              "Developers" and "engineers" are separated only to turn there power "down"
              because for big company these people are just like cows in the slaughterhouse.
              but the Leading management are the perpetrators not the victims !
              Bridgman is a "Manager" means Perpetrator not a victim.

              he is the one guiding the cow into the slaughterhouse.

              the perpetrators (managers) communicate to make sure the cows go into the slaughterhouse faster!.
              there is no "separation" for the managers.

              Originally posted by allquixotic View Post
              I work for a corporation,
              as a butcher (manager) or slaughter cattle (developer) ?

              Originally posted by allquixotic View Post
              and I can tell you that there is no way in hell another team would come to me and ask me for my "vote" on some issue that is not directly part of my job description.
              this sounds like you are not in a management of any company!
              you are on the "slaughter cattle (developer)" side of life not on the butcher (manager) side.

              i drive my own company and i would never ask a cattle about how to do the butchers job right.

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              • oh great. Q. is in full throttle stupid mode again. People, time to close this thread and just ignore it out of existance.

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                • Originally posted by energyman View Post
                  oh great. Q. is in full throttle stupid mode again. People, time to close this thread and just ignore it out of existance.
                  I wonder, what he said just now...

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                  • Originally posted by energyman View Post
                    oh great. Q. is in full throttle stupid mode again. People, time to close this thread and just ignore it out of existance.
                    Its interesting every time I do not write the same mainstream stuff like any other the people blame me to not write the same stuff like any others do.

                    If you are not interested in different viewpoints or to be more specific in my viewpoint why not just put me on your ignore list ?

                    Your writing do not have any argument to support your claim that Iím stupid "Q. is in full throttle stupid mode" but you are free to prove it to me.

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                    • Originally posted by adrenochrome View Post
                      that's really a bad news. the main problem is that there's no alternative : today it's impossible to make linux run on cards like radeon 9xxx (pre-HD) which are still technically completely capable.
                      Current opensource drivers dont even allow youtube videos to run smooth on this kind of gfx card
                      Since it's impossible to upgrade gpu in most notebooks, the linux user amount will only decrease
                      Um, what are you smoking? All Radeon hardware works via the OSS drivers going back to the original Radeon launched in early 2000 http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R100

                      Before MESA dropped the DRI1 class hardware drivers even the far older Rage series cards worked.

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                      • Originally posted by Hirager View Post
                        KDE's Oxygen handles high DPI impressively well. I have a 135 PPI (pixels per inch) netbook. It's only problem regarding the pixel destiny is Firefox's policy of forced 96 PPI, which makes web browsing a difficult task.
                        Hmm, well, I was thinking about XFCE there. Although on KDE, I don't seem to have any option other than 96 or 120 DPI, and that only for fonts, it doesn't seem to affect images... :\

                        Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                        I don't care about the blob for either company and I care even less about Wine, PlayOnLinux, Crossover or Cedega compatibility.

                        Try the PC only titles not the console ports like Mass Effect 3, if you max the graphics settings on titles like Metro2033, Aliens VS Predator, Hard Reset, Just Cause 2, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Dirt 3, Crysis: Warhead, Mafia 2, Batman Arkam City, Total War: Shogun 2, STALKER: Call of Pripyat and the list goes on for Windows games that when maxed out on detail settings will barely break a 30 FPS average let alone the 60FPS the high end gamers demand on 1920x1080~2560x1600 no AA~4x AA if that on an HD4890, the guys playing these games refuse to compromise by lowering settings, hence why they are always buying the best they can get their hands on, some have 3-4 top end cards pushing a single monitor...
                        Exactly my point... This thread is about AMD dropping support for the binary blob, there is nothing about the OSS drivers here.

                        I wonder what you mean by maxed out settings... I could choke my card with ME3 if I forced 8x supersampling, no problem. The thing is that there is no need to, it looks fine as it is. So once again, while it's true that there are people who are upgrading like that, but it's the enthusiast market.

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                        • Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                          Hmm, well, I was thinking about XFCE there. Although on KDE, I don't seem to have any option other than 96 or 120 DPI, and that only for fonts, it doesn't seem to affect images... :\
                          I forgot already. The feature to set custom PPI came in KDE 4.8 . However, the PPI could be also enforced by modifying some config files, but that is so painful, that I erased it from my memory. I said KDE handles PPI scaling well because of reason. I saw the result of PPI scaling on Windows. It was so terrible, that probably my scale of judgement was altered. On the other even Macs don't have complete PPI scaling system, even if theirs the best now.

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                          • Its a piece of cake to force a different dpi setting without kde 4.8. This is for kdm:
                            Code:
                            DPI=100
                            perl -pi -e "s|(ServerArgsLocal=-br -nolisten tcp).*|\1 -dpi $DPI|" /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc
                            A similar setting is possible for any other dm. That works even before you login.

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                            • Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                              Exactly my point... This thread is about AMD dropping support for the binary blob, there is nothing about the OSS drivers here.

                              I wonder what you mean by maxed out settings... I could choke my card with ME3 if I forced 8x supersampling, no problem. The thing is that there is no need to, it looks fine as it is. So once again, while it's true that there are people who are upgrading like that, but it's the enthusiast market.
                              Apparently you have terrible reading comprehension because this has everything to do with the OSS drivers.

                              As well as you really should go look at the reviews of the current GPU hardware out there on WINDOWS REVIEW SITES, where they actually test the hardware on the most demanding titles on the market, because I noted that in some reviews cards like the HD7970 and GTX680 which are somewhere around 4x the performance of your HD4890 can't break 60FPS on them at 1920x1080 even without Anti-Assailing.

                              Your card WAS high end, in 2009, 4 generations ago(HD5870, HD6870, HD6970, HD7970), now it's lower midrange for the Windows market as the 2009, the HD5770/HD6770/HD6790 are just as fast as the HD4870 and HD4890 as it was just a voltage tweaked and overclocked HD4870.

                              You really should expand your information beyond Phoronix, Larabels "tests" prove nothing about what current GPU hardware can do.

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                              • Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                                Apparently you have terrible reading comprehension because this has everything to do with the OSS drivers.
                                These news affect only users of the AMD blob driver. People who use the blob driver are using it for some reason. That reason most definitely doesn't include supporting the OSS driver, as they would be using the OSS driver in that case.

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