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  • #31
    We need stability

    Hello Linux kernel developers! Real companies with real products NEED stable APIs and ABIs. It allows them to apply the fire and forget strategy. On windows a driver that was written 10 years ago will continue to work reliably indefinitely. On Linux you need to maintain your past products in a perpetual manner. This costs loads of time and money. How hard is to understand simple facts?
    Last edited by zoomblab; 04-20-2012, 11:49 AM.

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    • #32
      AMD disappoints again.
      Can we at least get UVD specs for the dropped parts? If they are legacy, no issues now, right?

      Because I tend to make my computers last, it seems that once again we confirm that it's a really bad idea to buy AMD graphics. Note taken.
      I was using a X1300 with flgrx when they dropped support. Guess what I'm still using now?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by zoomblab View Post
        Hello Linux kernel developers! Real companies with real products NEED stable APIs and ABIs. It allows them to apply the fire and forget strategy. On windows a driver that was written 10 years ago will continue to work indefinitely. On Linux you need to maintain your past products in a perpetual manner. This is costs loads of time and money. How hard is to understand simple facts?
        Hello regular troll! "real" companies need just to open their drivers, and community will maintain them. Simple & Free!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by [Knuckles] View Post
          Can we at least get UVD specs for the dropped parts? If they are legacy, no issues now, right?
          Huh? Why shouldn't it be?
          AFAIK, it's all about the DRM chain.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by zoomblab View Post
            Hello Linux kernel developers! Real companies with real products NEED stable APIs and ABIs. It allows them to apply the fire and forget strategy. On windows a driver that was written 10 years ago will continue to work reliably indefinitely. On Linux you need to maintain your past products in a perpetual manner. This costs loads of time and money. How hard is to understand simple facts?
            There are API's enough in the Linux kernel, only the AMD developers don't use them. Instead they go deeply into the kernel (where the API isn't as stable) to provide something proprietary that looks like Windows to be able to re-use as much as possible code in the W and L versions of Catalyst.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by AlbertP View Post
              There are API's enough in the Linux kernel, only the AMD developers don't use them. Instead they go deeply into the kernel (where the API isn't as stable) to provide something proprietary that looks like Windows to be able to re-use as much as possible code in the W and L versions of Catalyst.

              The stable API for graphics is called the 'Direct Rendering Infrastructure Protocol'

              It's the API that userland graphics applications can use to communicate with the Linux kernel DRM driver.

              The Linux kernel has stable APIs and ABIs all over the place.

              If ATI and Nvidia wants to create and use their own APIs, which is what they do with their proprietary drivers, it's up to them to maintain them. Nobody else can do it _BECAUSE_IT_IS_PROPRIETARY_.

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              • #37
                Is Gnome Shell at least supported ?

                Hi,

                Sounds quite a bad news for me, I've just bought the most powerful AGP card I could find to upgrade my old computer : an Ati/AMD Radeon HD3000...
                I hope at least Gnome Shell is working right now, so I can use it for a couple of years !
                I don't care if they drop the Catalyst driver, but they need to put more manpower on the opensource side, let's hope...

                Rémi.

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                • #38
                  Proprietary

                  This is why proprietary software sucks, and proprietary device drivers.

                  Now you are forced to upgrade and cash out more money and put your old hardware on the dump and contribute to e-waste.
                  Or you're stuck with old opeating system and window system.

                  With open source software, the communtiy can continue maintain device drivers after the company have abadoned it.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by AlbertP View Post
                    There are API's enough in the Linux kernel, only the AMD developers don't use them.
                    Wrong. The kernel doesn't have a stable internal interface. Drivers have to adapt to kernel changes. Only the interfaces to userspace are stable.

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                    • #40
                      Fine by me, as long as they release power management documentation.

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                      • #41
                        I use a Radeon IGP HD 3200 and I don't care much that AMD drops support for this card in their future drivers. Regnum Online works ok with the free Radeon driver as well, so not a big deal for me. Currently I even don't use the proprietary driver.

                        For people where proprietary driver support for their card is essential can easily use more conservative distros like Red Hat (and maybe also conservative Debian) based distros. It's not unlikely that even Red Hat 7 will still support Catalyst <12.7. Or otherwise just use the OS which probably more than 90% of AMD/ATI customers use preferably.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by remjg View Post
                          Hi,

                          Sounds quite a bad news for me, I've just bought the most powerful AGP card I could find to upgrade my old computer : an Ati/AMD Radeon HD3000...
                          I hope at least Gnome Shell is working right now, so I can use it for a couple of years !
                          I don't care if they drop the Catalyst driver, but they need to put more manpower on the opensource side, let's hope...

                          Rémi.
                          I think support for AGP cards was dropped by the proprietary driver long time ago, but maybe I am wrong. Gnome shell works very good with the free Radeon driver.

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                          • #43
                            And people keep asking...

                            ...why we should want open source drivers.

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                            • #44
                              Great!

                              Congratulations AMD/ATI, now my HD4650AGP is going to be left behind without any kind of 2D UVD/vaapi acceleration, slow (as hell) 3D performance (as mesa is still too much CPU-bound and that card is on a P4@3.2GHZ), and poor power management. As some people already said in this thread, laptop HD2xxx/4xxx users will also love the (lacking of) power management features in FOSS AMD drivers... Fortunately I'll freeze xorg to 1.11 and Catalyst to 11.4, so I'll be able to use my HD4650AGP for a while...

                              I agree that FOSS is the future of SW development and the right way to go, unfortunately, it should be at a minimum that people can use it without sacrificing productivity. In my case, that is having proper 2D UVD/video acceleration, power management and finally 3D acceleration.

                              I already switched to the green side (nVidia) in laptops. Maybe it's also time to switch to the green side on desktops too and start recommend nVidia instead of ATI/AMD to my friends/colleagues...

                              From a 15y ATI user,
                              Cheers

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                              • #45
                                Just when linux gaming was starting to look interesting, AMD pulls this crap. Way to go idiots.

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