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  • Originally posted by AlbertP View Post
    I think it's the other way round. The fglrx people are late with xorg 1.12 support because Ubuntu doesn't yet use that version.
    Anyway, we're getting the same problems as with the R200-R500 series in 2009. I have never bought AMD hardware - and now I have an even better reason to stick to nvidia.
    If this is true this is just an excuse. AMD devs are not forced in any way to use only ubuntu to do development. Just to remind: NVIDIA support the lastest Xorg, usually before the stable release (at least with a beta driver, QA is not quick and this is good) and more over they support a lot more OS than AMD. Intel supports Windows and Linux as AMD and their driver just works with every version of Xorg, being it even the most bleeding edge git branch. Indeed it does, it is an open source driver. The radeon driver does the same, with the difference the intel driver has a more high support level.

    In other words AMD is in the middle between NVIDIA and Intel, with the sum of doing two half working or half supported driver, i.e. the worst situation for all users. I will be very very happy if AMD will follow the intel way in the future and put more effort on the radeon driver (btw, the radeon team already does wonders being it so small), but it will be usable even with NVIDIA way, it is not the best, but still works.

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    • Fraud

      Originally posted by Kano View Post
      @enrico.tagliavini

      Thats called marketing, if a vendor needs a new card for an oem and there is no new hardware ready then they just rebrand an old one. The same issue is with my nvidia 405 card, usually you would say 4xx is fermi based, but no, that one is a rebranded nv 210 (405 is a pure oem card).
      No, its called fraud.

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      • Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
        Would be nice if you can report back the CPU temperatures you get in comparison to Catalyst or earlier versions of radeon.
        Right now using cpu fullpower governor it's running @ ~80°, I think the full fan power comes on a bit higher around 83° I hit that with the previous kernels and it would lower the temp to 77-78° and be on constant until I switched to dynamic gov.

        Also running glxgears it gives constant ~50 fps small and there is no change when going fullscreen on the external monitor, last time I ran it it gave like several hundred fps small and would chug along fullscreen.

        oh, and I use an external monitor like 95% of the time, 15 -18 hours a day with full power gov. ~8 hours a day 5 days a week for the last two years.

        My previous nvidia card didn't get nearly as much use but gave up, console spotty an I can only use svga and if I connect an ext. mon. it locks up.

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        • Originally posted by enrico.tagliavini View Post
          AMD devs are not forced in any way to use only ubuntu to do development.
          Yes they are. Because their customers demand it. (Customer in this case means Dell.)

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          • Originally posted by chithanh View Post
            Yes they are. Because their customers demand it. (Customer in this case means Dell.)
            Wait, what? Are you saying Dell is forcing AMD to only update the driver when Ubuntu requires it, and forbids them to update the driver otherwise? It sounds to me like that's what you're saying, but it makes no sense.

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            • Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
              I just upgraded to 12.10 and no longer have amd driver support for my 3470. I hope that the amd driver team gets cancer and their children get raped by filthy gypsies and their mothers get struck by lightnings while working in a whorehouse. Fuck you AMD! Fuck you! How can I get a refund you motherfuckers you stole my money you losers! AMD just fucking die already you with your shitty decisions and your shitty cpus.
              Amazing! Then the Time Machine was finally discovered and an understanding very happy AMD Linux user post from November 2012?
              Last edited by LuckyCyborg; 09-12-2012, 07:03 PM.

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              • Originally posted by LuckyCyborg View Post
                Amazing! Then the Time Machine was finally discovered and an understanding very happy AMD Linux user post from November 2012?
                12.10 beta 1 is available since 10.09.12

                Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                I just upgraded to 12.10 and no longer have amd driver support for my 3470...
                you can use r600g, which is still being heavily worked on.
                I think your aged GPU is actually one of the best supported by open driver. I think its the best that can happen to an old card. Much better than no driver at all.
                But if you are despirate and can cough some money for newer GPU, why don't you send the 3470 over to radeon developers? Ask on IRC.
                Last edited by crazycheese; 09-12-2012, 09:33 PM.

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                • Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                  No, its called fraud.
                  Marketing equals fraud.

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                  • Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                    12.10 beta 1 is available since 10.09.12


                    you can use r600g, which is still being heavily worked on.
                    I think your aged GPU is actually one of the best supported by open driver. I think its the best that can happen to an old card. Much better than no driver at all.
                    But if you are despirate and can cough some money for newer GPU, why don't you send the 3470 over to radeon developers? Ask on IRC.
                    AMD doesn't give a f what driver Ubuntu packages. That's Ubuntu's problem, not AMD. Maybe he should go bitch to Ubuntu instead.

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                    • An ati hd 3470 costs now around 15 € with shipping. If you like try to sell it, a Win user might buy it. I have got a hd 4550 card as well, but i do not freak out when there is no driver update for it, then i just use a different card. pci-e cards are so easy to change, i need less than 1 min to do so, must be very hard for you to buy something that works I would not cry for a card with that value.

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                      • There is also a separate, less frequent stream of releases for the 2000-4000 GPUs :

                        http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles...yproducts.aspx

                        Phoronix article at :

                        http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTEzNDA

                        Plus the open source drivers, as others have already mentioned.

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                        • Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                          There is also a separate, less frequent stream of releases for the 2000-4000 GPUs :

                          http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles...yproducts.aspx

                          Phoronix article at :

                          http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTEzNDA

                          Plus the open source drivers, as others have already mentioned.
                          Too bad this won't shut certain people up... Soooooooooooo many people going full retard...

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                          • Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                            There is also a separate, less frequent stream of releases for the 2000-4000 GPUs :

                            http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles...yproducts.aspx

                            Phoronix article at :

                            http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTEzNDA

                            Plus the open source drivers, as others have already mentioned.
                            Will this driver ever leave beta state? Will there be a version that supports xserver > 1.12? Or newer kernels?

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                            • Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                              I just upgraded to 12.10 and no longer have amd driver support for my 3470 [..].
                              Ubuntu 12.04 is LTS. You could stick for years with it, if you depend on catalyst...

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                              • Originally posted by Ren Höek View Post
                                Ubuntu 12.04 is LTS. You could stick for years with it, if you depend on catalyst...
                                And leave out all future developments in software and kernel just because AMD decided that the hardware they still sell as the top of the line integrated video solution for their flagship CPUs is legacy hardware and supported by the OSS driver well enough (which it is unarguably not)?
                                Really?

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