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  • Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
    Sure, but if panel is HD, you doesn't need to get FullHD source (is there is a choice between 720p and 1080p).
    Well, of course you should get everything in both formats, in case you wanna watch it on two different devices

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    • Originally posted by oliver View Post
      Well, of course you should get everything in both formats, in case you wanna watch it on two different devices
      You not mentioned 3rd version for smartphone.
      Anyway, you get the point.

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      • Originally posted by pchristy View Post
        Just over a year ago, I bought an Acer "Netbook". And now YOU ARE DROPPING SUPPORT FOR IT??? Scratch one customer in future!
        Like I said before, it's not the first time AMD did this, and you chose to buy an AMD GPU anyway. If you're looking for someone to blame, start with the mirror, and cease writing whiny posts on Phoronix as if AMD execs are actually reading them.

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        • I want to be protected by laws - HYBRID SOURCE DRIVERS

          If I buy a computer device i want it to work at every OS until it "dies" fully functional.

          Of course AMD can kill the support for a branch of products, but then ...

          Law must provide consumers defence, as PUBLISH THE CODE.

          If there are patents inside, this patents are PAYED BY CONSUMERS indirectly buying the product

          And there must be solutions to put that patented code - I think code must no be patented - as a blob independent module inside the driver making the driver modular.

          A future driver with open source parts and close source parts, - hybrid drivers - can be a good solution.

          I understand AMD's financial decission, but an hybrid driver solution letting blobs closed and a fully open source driver as alternative will be better than not ahving this patented techs taht boost our GPUs performances compared with open source algorimths.

          This is a suggestion for every vendor, not only GPUs, SoCs mostly Android SoCs must have open source and hybrid source drivers and perhaps closed source drivers too.

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          • Originally posted by mitcoes View Post
            If I buy a computer device i want it to work at every OS until it "dies" fully functional.

            Of course AMD can kill the support for a branch of products, but then ...
            [...]
            Wow, fully functional support for every OS So you probably don't want to buy Nvidia nor AMD/ATI cards.

            And I assume AMD will still provide fully functional driver for their 2xxx, 3xxx, 4xxx Radeon series cards for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X until they are bankrupt or at least for the next 8+ years or so. I have no reason to have doubts in that.

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            • so what? just stay with any long term supported distro and you will be fine.

              New xorg-server releases add shit and new kernels are pretty much boring for almost all users anyway. Even if you don't want to use something with a long-term support:
              in gentoo just mask everything past kernel 3.4... and xorg-server whatever.

              Versionitis is a serious illness - don't succomb to it.

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              • I'm not too bothered about which driver but after the latest xorg/fglrx mess could anyone help me with KMS load detection with a DVI to HDMI cable using the radeon driver .... its a PITA!!!!

                i should file i bug i know but i'm sure they know about it already...

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                • What do you mean by "load detection"? I used a similar setup in the past with my radeon HD 3650 and it worked well on the AMD side of things (except for sound). It was the crappy implementation of HDMI in the monitor that made me revert to VGA.

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                  • Sheesh, what's with all the hate against AMD here? Like some previous posters mentioned, just stay with your Ubuntu LTS or RHEL distro's. And the free driver works very nicely. And I have an R600 card.

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                    • Originally posted by Wilfred View Post
                      Sheesh, what's with all the hate against AMD here? Like some previous posters mentioned, just stay with your Ubuntu LTS or RHEL distro's. And the free driver works very nicely. And I have an R600 card.
                      its only the discrepancy between what is and what could be

                      AMD "Bridgman" Manage the Opensource Radeon driver to stay successful: insignificant

                      and they do it on their opinion to the low market share and the allegedly low money to carry forward calculation.

                      the impact of AMDs opinion is this: Irrelevant market share leads to irrelevant monetary expense leads to an irrelevant driver leads to a irrelevant market share leads to Irrelevant market share leads to irrelevant monetary expense leads to an irrelevant driver leads to a irrelevant market share and so one and so one... please copy past the text 100 times to make it clear what i mean.

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                      • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                        its only the discrepancy between what is and what could be
                        Not really. It's sad that AMD doesn't have more money to spend on managing the Catalyst drivers, they could probably hire one or two more people to work full-time on porting the legacy-branch Catalyst drivers to new kernel/Xorg versions. But since 2006-2007 AMD have been paying the open source team (including all the lawyers and non-coding staff) to set up an infrastructure to support cards that are considered legacy. They could have spent that same money on keeping fglrx closed and supported multiple branches for multiple generations of cards, which is exactly what nvidia does, but they chose a different option.

                        AMD hoped the free drivers would eventually reach 80% of the performance of fglrx, that's the only real failure because the performance isn't there. Bridgman has said the free driver development will happen faster with future generations of cards, and it'll have to get quicker if AMD don't have the resources to maintain fglrx for longer than 3 for an older generation of cards.

                        I don't know what I'd buy if I had to buy a new linux desktop system now, free drivers are important to me but so is performance, so I think it'd be a toss-up between an integrated Intel system or a discrete AMD system with a mid-range Radeon card. I still don't think I need the performance of the closed-source nvidia options but their support by Wine games is always tempting.

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                        • Originally posted by grantek View Post
                          AMD hoped the free drivers would eventually reach 80% of the performance of fglrx, that's the only real failure because the performance isn't there.
                          I actually said we expected 60-70% based on an estimate of how much community development would happen. IIRC what we are seeing now is a bit higher on 3xx-5xx (especially 5xx) and a bit lower on 6xx and higher.

                          Originally posted by grantek View Post
                          Bridgman has said the free driver development will happen faster with future generations of cards, and it'll have to get quicker if AMD don't have the resources to maintain fglrx for longer than 3 for an older generation of cards.
                          It *has* been starting earlier each generation and will continue to do so. For the current generation we started development well before launch but not as early as the proprietary driver. For the next generation we are more-or-less aligned with proprietary driver development.

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                          • Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                            I actually said we expected 60-70% based on an estimate of how much community development would happen. IIRC what we are seeing now is a bit higher on 3xx-5xx (especially 5xx) and a bit lower on 6xx and higher.
                            you claim 40-50% with a Radeon HD 6550D ?

                            its more like 10-20%



                            Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                            It *has* been starting earlier each generation and will continue to do so. For the current generation we started development well before launch but not as early as the proprietary driver. For the next generation we are more-or-less aligned with proprietary driver development.
                            the future will show us the result.

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                            • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                              you claim 40-50% with a Radeon HD 6550D ?

                              its more like 10-20%
                              At the same clocks, yes I think so (maybe a bit lower because there's been no tuning for the memory controller). At default clocks, obviously not.

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                              • Me to but Im still angry...

                                Originally posted by chrisr View Post
                                I dumped fglrx ages ago and not regretted it. Ordinary Open Source users simply aren't its target audience. The driver was always behind new kernels and X servers, bugs remained unfixed, no-one was interested in receiving bug reports and its stability/usability fluctuated wildly from month to month anyway.

                                The Open Source drivers may not have all the benchmark performance, but in my experience they have a stability and consistency that fglrx could never achieve in its darkest dreams.
                                I mean my warranty just expired and the card basically gets EOL. I bought this card (4890) because of amds committment to open-source but fglrx has been one long painfull childbirth. My patience has really been tested, but around 10.9 I decided to drop fglrx for good and rely on open-source driver, it just wasnt worth the hassle. Even if Linus doesnt seem to be that interested of gfx he should point the "eye" this way because i believe gfx is one of the last excuses for not using linux.
                                Last edited by bac0n; 05-31-2012, 01:06 AM.

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