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  • Let the fun begin with xserver 1.12 There is still no amd driver that supports it. That means you can stay with 1.11 forever. Nobody asked for 1.12 support because ubuntu used their frankenstein xserver as they wanted to have got working fglrx. So thats partly a problem caused by ubuntu as fglrx is only changed when u needs it. If you really want oss driver support you can stay with intel onboard as well, if you want raw speed over a few more gfx generations nvidia seems to be the smarter choice. Amd just wants that you sell old cards and buy new ones, nice idea to increase demand

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    • Originally posted by locovaca View Post
      What the heck did I miss? The 4850 isn't broken by the default driver, there simply are not any more updates. Where's your list of killer bugs that are still outstanding for the 4000 series driver?
      Assume the card has ten more years of life. How many new games, apps, situations is it going to see? How many of those do you think will expose a bug?

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      • Originally posted by curaga View Post
        Assume the card has ten more years of life. How many new games, apps, situations is it going to see? How many of those do you think will expose a bug?
        Uhm, I will not assume that a 2009 era graphics card will still be running mainstream games in 2022. That's absurd. How many people are running 2012 era games on Rage 128 hardware (1999)? And even shortening the life by 5 years, how many people are running 2012 era games on Radeon X800 hardware (2004)?

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        • Originally posted by locovaca View Post
          how many people are running 2012 era games on Radeon X800 hardware (2004)?
          Not many - support got dropped :-)

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          • Originally posted by archibald View Post
            Not many - support got dropped :-)
            Sure, but aside from that, the technology requirements of newer games significantly outpaces the throughput that an X800 would've delivered at a decent resolution. At any rate, there's nothing holding back an X800 user from running XP and the 9.4 drivers.

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            • Originally posted by locovaca View Post
              ...there's nothing holding back an X800 user from running XP and the 9.4 drivers.
              That's exactly what I do - no complaints so far.

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              • It doesn't have to be 2022 games. Maybe some game comes out 2012 December you'd like to play and can't.

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                • HD Video

                  Just over a year ago, I bought an Acer "Netbook". I need a small, portable device that can handle HD video, and it fits the bill perfectly. I use mplayer-vaapi, and it does everything I need.

                  And now YOU ARE DROPPING SUPPORT FOR IT???

                  What are you playing at?

                  The open-source driver may be OK for graphics, but it can't handle HD video! And it looks as if in future, neither will I be able to rely on the proprietry driver for this either!

                  If it was 10 years old, I could understand it. But ONE?

                  Scratch one customer in future!

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                  Pete

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                  • if it does everything you need, you don't need any updates. Congratulation, you will not have to bother.

                    Besides, they won't magically deactivate your driver. They just won't support your hardware when it comes to new Xorg versions (which are very underwhelming) or kernels (btw, 3.0 is a long term stable release, works great and will be around for years).

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                    • Originally posted by pchristy View Post
                      The open-source driver may be OK for graphics, but it can't handle HD video!
                      It can handle HD video, but FullHD - can't. Do you have FullHD panel in your Acer "Netbook"?

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                      • HD Video

                        Energyman: OK, but I'm already running 3.2.X - so I'm expected to *downgrade* - or at least freeze - the rest of my machine simply because ATI want to drop support for something only 12 months old? I don't think so!

                        RussianNeuroMancer: The panel is 1366x768, but the videos I need to display are full 1920 x 1080. It does this admirably with vaapi support. Without it, its useless! Also one of the reasons for getting this device was that it has an HDMI output capable of full HD on a suitable external monitor or TV - which it presently does.

                        I've long been an AMD fan - I still have an old K6-2 box sitting around and in occasional use. Both my desktop machines are AMD processors - but with NVidia cards because of their superior Linux support. I would have preferred NVidia graphics in the netbook, but couldn't find one that did everything I need (HD and HDMI). The Acer fits the bill, but for ANY company to drop support on something that is so recent is just beyond the pale.

                        AMD have just lost a long-term loyal customer. I shall not make the same mistake again!

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                        Pete

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                        • Do you remember this article about FOSS driver?
                          http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTA2ODk

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                          • Originally posted by pchristy View Post
                            Energyman: OK, but I'm already running 3.2.X - so I'm expected to *downgrade* - or at least freeze - the rest of my machine simply because ATI want to drop support for something only 12 months old? I don't think so!

                            RussianNeuroMancer: The panel is 1366x768, but the videos I need to display are full 1920 x 1080. It does this admirably with vaapi support. Without it, its useless! Also one of the reasons for getting this device was that it has an HDMI output capable of full HD on a suitable external monitor or TV - which it presently does.

                            I've long been an AMD fan - I still have an old K6-2 box sitting around and in occasional use. Both my desktop machines are AMD processors - but with NVidia cards because of their superior Linux support. I would have preferred NVidia graphics in the netbook, but couldn't find one that did everything I need (HD and HDMI). The Acer fits the bill, but for ANY company to drop support on something that is so recent is just beyond the pale.

                            AMD have just lost a long-term loyal customer. I shall not make the same mistake again!

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                            Pete
                            You could still freeze until the open source drivers do full hd nicely (shouldn't be too long is my guess

                            But yes, I also mentioned this earlier, hd 4000 support being cut is bad; hd 2000, 3000 support, meh.

                            Regarding the panel size and HD content, panel size doesn't matter, if your source is full hd, it still needs to be able to decode them, before it can be downscaled

                            and finally, AMD is still, way way way better then any other option. Yes they've dropped their proprietary support for relative old stuff, it's bad, but AMD is very very on the ball, when it is with their open source support AND! Yes! They do actually support it, code drops, source drops, doc drops, you name it, they do it and do it well.

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                            • Originally posted by oliver View Post
                              Regarding the panel size and HD content, panel size doesn't matter, if your source is full hd, it still needs to be able to decode them, before it can be downscaled
                              Sure, but if panel is HD, you doesn't need to get FullHD source (is there is a choice between 720p and 1080p).

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                              • Originally posted by oliver View Post
                                You could still freeze until the open source drivers do full hd nicely (shouldn't be too long is my guess

                                But yes, I also mentioned this earlier, hd 4000 support being cut is bad; hd 2000, 3000 support, meh.

                                Regarding the panel size and HD content, panel size doesn't matter, if your source is full hd, it still needs to be able to decode them, before it can be downscaled

                                and finally, AMD is still, way way way better then any other option. Yes they've dropped their proprietary support for relative old stuff, it's bad, but AMD is very very on the ball, when it is with their open source support AND! Yes! They do actually support it, code drops, source drops, doc drops, you name it, they do it and do it well.
                                Well, no, they don't really "do it well". But they do try very hard with the extremely limited resources they have. But there's a difference between trying and succeeding. The open drivers work quite well on Evergreen and earlier for most things except for OpenCL and video decoding, but they're still pretty far behind in terms of equivalent support on NI and SI. NI is starting to come along a bit but SI is still at the stage of drawing basic triangles.

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