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  • #31
    Ill try wine version today and give some reports.

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    • #32
      I have desktop with NVidia graphics GTX275, i7-920 and have freezes at start game for 5-10 sec when opened internet browser, sometimes it freeze all platform and need hard reset. But in game no regression fps.
      On laptop i have Radeon Mobility 5650, i3-370 and have regression fps, with wine i have shadows artifacts, in mswindos in 2 times better fps

      PS: GPU accelerated applications = problem with other direct rendered applications?!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by konkor View Post
        I have desktop with NVidia graphics GTX275, i7-920 and have freezes at start game for 5-10 sec when opened internet browser, sometimes it freeze all platform and need hard reset. But in game no regression fps.
        On laptop i have Radeon Mobility 5650, i3-370 and have regression fps, with wine i have shadows artifacts, in mswindos in 2 times better fps
        i do not have shadow artifacts... my windows clind run perfect in wine... try to turn of stuff like "AI" in the CCC...

        the 2 times better fps isn't windows its the windows clind i do have 2 time better fps in wine with the windows clind on linux.

        its just the OpenGL clind! the OpenGL renderer is broken by design! '



        Originally posted by konkor View Post
        PS: GPU accelerated applications = problem with other direct rendered applications?!
        yes i do have massiv mouse input lag if i use firefox gpu acceleration or flash gpu acceleration if you turn of this stuff it runs better!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
          http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/sh...4#post14237144

          i post this tropic in the hon forum to!
          LOL they delete my forum post... shame on you heroes of newerth team!

          if you write the true thats the hon linux clind is a joke then you will be pawnd!

          edit :

          "qaridarium, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:
          Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
          If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation."

          they delete my rights to write in there linux/support forum LOL
          Last edited by Qaridarium; 09-03-2011, 05:37 PM.

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          • #35
            That thread was deleted because it isn't a support question. It was essentially an antagonistic post.
            That kind of thing is meant for in GD or suggestions (ie improve the ogl renderer)


            hi i benchmark the nativ linux clind vs the windows clind in wine.

            nativ linux clind=29fps
            windows clind in wine=64fps..

            even the graphic are much more advance in the windows clind in wine!

            Shame on you "Linux-nativ-Support"
            posting in the techsupport section is meant for if/when you require actual support because something your end isn't working and something your end can't be tweaked. NOTHING your end will change the renderer implementation and thus since such a thread doesn't belong in tech it was deleted


            so how about posting that topic in GD rather than being a dick and fucking around in the techsupport section, a section&topic only you would have been able to reply to :arma:

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Naib View Post
              That thread was deleted because it isn't a support question. It was essentially an antagonistic post.
              That kind of thing is meant for in GD or suggestions (ie improve the ogl renderer)

              posting in the techsupport section is meant for if/when you require actual support because something your end isn't working and something your end can't be tweaked. NOTHING your end will change the renderer implementation and thus since such a thread doesn't belong in tech it was deleted

              so how about posting that topic in GD rather than being a dick and fucking around in the techsupport section, a section&topic only you would have been able to reply to :arma:
              the tech support forum was the right place because: its the solution for ALL linux clind problems.
              and ths solution is: just drop the linux clind if the windows clind in wine works better.
              thats not anti linux thats a pro linux statement!
              its anti linux to suggest an bad linux solution!
              i proof it! not LINUX is the bad its the HON-linux-Clind !
              and no its not an OpenGL problem! because wine translate the directX into OpenGL!
              its the proof that the hon-linux-clind is just bad!
              my point is simple: drop the Linux clind or make sure it brings the same good result as the windows clind in wine!

              a nativ linux clind is a lie if it brings only a worst result and makes the Linux feeling bad!
              Originally posted by Naib View Post
              It was essentially an antagonistic post
              telling the true is not a antagonistic post!
              you are a liar if you telling this to me.

              Originally posted by Naib View Post
              That kind of thing is meant for in GD or suggestions (ie improve the ogl renderer)
              telling the true about the nativ linux clind support is not a suggestion!
              maybe telling to drop the linux clind is a suggestion.
              but i do not tell to drop the linux clind.

              Originally posted by Naib View Post
              "posting in the techsupport section is meant for if/when you require actual support because something your end isn't working and something your end can't be tweaked."
              LOL what isn't working? the linux-nativ-clind isn't working because: it brings not the same good result as the windows clind the windows clind brings better graphic and more than double fps speed!


              Originally posted by Naib View Post
              so how about posting that topic in GD rather than being a dick and fucking around in the techsupport section
              in my point of view its not a suggestion its a technical statement!

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              • #37
                except there is ZERO what techsupport can do to improve it, thus it does not belong in the techsupport forum.
                you can't have any dissussion there since it is between tech and the OP only.
                A technical statement with no client-side, user-instigated fix.
                and as such your point of view is flawed

                open the thread in GD

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Naib View Post
                  except there is ZERO what techsupport can do to improve it,
                  sure they can !
                  They can tell every single linux-customer to use the windows clind in wine! because they are unable to dev a completive openGL-nativ-linux-clind.


                  Originally posted by Naib View Post
                  thus it does not belong in the techsupport forum.
                  you can't have any dissussion there since it is between tech and the OP only.
                  A technical statement with no client-side, user-instigated fix.
                  and as such your point of view is flawed
                  open the thread in GD
                  don't worry they already get the message.

                  and if you are fight against incapable and incompetence any words are useless.

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                  • #39
                    I get 42fps with my radeon 6670 1GB + Q9450 and 8GB ddr2
                    the fps drops to 29fps with FF running

                    linux native with fglrx
                    2048x1536 all AA/AF settings maxed out in amdcccle (in game says no AA so not sure about that)

                    Performance seems reasonable to me
                    Last edited by Soul_keeper; 09-04-2011, 10:08 PM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Soul_keeper View Post
                      I get 42fps with my radeon 6670 1GB + Q9450 and 8GB ddr2
                      the fps drops to 29fps with FF running

                      linux native with fglrx
                      2048x1536 all AA/AF settings maxed out in amdcccle (in game says no AA so not sure about that)

                      Performance seems reasonable to me
                      try out the windows clind in wine you will get 70fps---

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                      • #41
                        I would never bash a company for making a native Linux client. Why? Because at least they had the guts to do it. Big companies like EA or Activision won't because they care way to much about the bottom line. s2games is on our side and at least they are trying. They don't have to make a Linux native version of there game and yet they do.

                        They understand there is an untapped market for gamers out there and they want it. So please do not bash a company for making a native client. If you have a problem with their game help them with it by actually giving them good feedback.

                        Pull up the game logs and see if there are errors. Try with different drivers and graphics settings. Even different distro's can have an impact because of the different xorg servers and kernels.

                        Getting 50 people together and saying you get low fps or there ogl renderer is bad will help no one. You have to give tangible problems for them to look at. Telling a company in the tech forums or wherever that linux people should just use wine and the windows client will just make them stop producing Linux native games and I am sure we all don't want that. Look at Blizzard. They had a Linux port of Wow, but it worked so well in wine and whatever other reasons they had they decided not to release it.

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                        • #42
                          i get really bad performance through wine. fps is not smooth at all. drops down to 10 every once a while.
                          with native HoN client i get really smooth framerate with tearfree enabled from catalyst and no performance problems except huge fights.
                          i think S2 games have done really good linux clients so far for all the savage series and new HoN.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                            sure they can !
                            They can tell every single linux-customer to use the windows clind in wine! because they are unable to dev a completive openGL-nativ-linux-clind.




                            don't worry they already get the message.

                            and if you are fight against incapable and incompetence any words are useless.
                            so basically a troll post "herder use wine" and you really wonder why such a thread got deleted...


                            oh and fyi its not th linux client that has the problem its the ogl renderer.
                            f you want to compare hon in wine or native you really should switch to ogl on the windows client.


                            s2 know their utilisation of ogl is very poor (it spends too much time managing textures eating resources - effects win as well since common gfx engine).
                            only recently has the ogl renderer been looked at with very high water quality, something windows-dx cant reliably do at the moment.

                            so dont bash s2 for the linuc client, it is actually very good, knock them for their ogl renderer and thus again that thread did not belong in tech since nothing client-side can fix their utilisation.
                            such a post in the bugs forum would have been better (and would not have been deleted) or in suggestions for improved ogl

                            also linux drivers are quite poor. even the improved ati are still poor (cant dualhead and fullscreenaj
                            likewise desktop interaction with the drivers does not help be it kwin/cutter failed 3d overlay wrt 3d fullscreen or forcing 2d notification events all these thing do not help (and thats why i suggested starting hon in a new xserver)
                            Last edited by Naib; 09-05-2011, 08:27 AM.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by MNKyDeth View Post
                              I would never bash a company for making a native Linux client.
                              i only bash them because of the bad graphic and bad performance not because of the linux clind.
                              the linux clind isn't a alms to the poor linux people.
                              we the "linux" users do have the right for the same good graphic and performance result!
                              certainly if the windows clind runs like that in wine!



                              Originally posted by MNKyDeth View Post
                              Why? Because at least they had the guts to do it. Big companies like EA or Activision won't because they care way to much about the bottom line. s2games is on our side and at least they are trying.
                              there are on our side? i don't think so bad graphic and bad performance isn't a advertisement for the linux system.
                              they make clear it isn't a support question its a suggestion means you pay the full price of the game but you don't have the right for the same good result and you have to beg in a suggestion to get your RIGHT!



                              Originally posted by MNKyDeth View Post
                              They don't have to make a Linux native version of there game and yet they do.
                              they claim it! its there fault! you can not claim a linux version and then the linux version is only a lie a lie because they drop many graphic effects! and bad performance! you don't have air particles in the nativ linux version! and you don't have shader3 lighting only shader2!






                              Originally posted by MNKyDeth View Post
                              They understand there is an untapped market for gamers out there and they want it. So please do not bash a company for making a native client. If you have a problem with their game help them with it by actually giving them good feedback.
                              they delete my good feedback because they think its not a support stuff its a suggestion
                              Suggestion LOL!!!!! this word makes me so angry!
                              because its not a Suggestion !
                              they claim to support linux but they only do alms to linux people!

                              i will never write an suggestion to S2 games because this is a insult to me.

                              its a Insult to claim i do not have the right for full graphic and full speed with my linux clind.




                              Originally posted by MNKyDeth View Post
                              Pull up the game logs and see if there are errors. Try with different drivers and graphics settings. Even different distro's can have an impact because of the different xorg servers and kernels.
                              they don't care they delete my test-results.



                              Originally posted by MNKyDeth View Post
                              Getting 50 people together and saying you get low fps or there ogl renderer is bad will help no one.
                              i do not found a problem because the problem is history i found a solution.
                              i drop the linux clind on my system.
                              because the nativ linux clind is not writen to work with AMD/ATI hardware well.
                              if you use AMD hardware you are forced to use the windows clind.


                              Originally posted by MNKyDeth View Post
                              You have to give tangible problems for them to look at. Telling a company in the tech forums or wherever that linux people should just use wine and the windows client will just make them stop producing Linux native games and I am sure we all don't want that. Look at Blizzard. They had a Linux port of Wow, but it worked so well in wine and whatever other reasons they had they decided not to release it.
                              i life in reality if the nativ clind do not bring the same graphic result and bad performance then it just hurts linux

                              you play on linux just to get bad graphic and low speed? LOL you are kidding!
                              to make people happy with linux you need to get the best solution for linux and if the best solution is based on wine thats the way to go!

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by xpander View Post
                                i get really bad performance through wine. fps is not smooth at all. drops down to 10 every once a while.
                                with native HoN client i get really smooth framerate with tearfree enabled from catalyst and no performance problems except huge fights.
                                i think S2 games have done really good linux clients so far for all the savage series and new HoN.
                                "i get really bad performance through wine."

                                i can imagine the cause of your bad wine result.
                                you do have an openGL 2.1 graphic card or an driver with only openGL2.1 support.
                                then wine falls back to the OpenGL 2.1shader directX to openGL renderer.

                                you only get this extremely good performance result if your graphic card can handle openGL3.3 and your driver to.

                                because of the wine speed up openGL extensions.

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