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  • #16
    Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
    I guess HP "business" notebooks don't qualify then, even though they list linux support.
    I'm surprised suspend/resume didn't work if you bought the laptop preloaded with Linux. Normally preloads get system-specific qual and then either drivers or OS image will be tweaked to make everything work together.

    If you buy the same laptop with Windows and then install a generic distro image you don't get the same benefit -- you'll probably get the driver tweaks but not the OS image tweaks.

    FWIW, when I'm talking about market segments I usually use :

    - consumer client (desktop/laptop/all in one)
    - enterprise client (your business laptop fits here)
    - workstation
    - server
    - embedded
    - mobile (essentially tablet)

    Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
    Thanks !
    Last edited by bridgman; 08-19-2011, 01:56 PM.

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    • #17
      So close, yet no cigar. 11.8 still suffers from the same "100% CPU hogging per OpenCL app" bug introduced with 11.7, but the corner mouse wedge was definitely gone. Didn't see any other issues during the time I was testing.

      Unfortunately the busywait on a cpu core per OpenCL app is more of a showstopper for me and I had to revert to 11.6. I think that got fixed on Windows with 11.8, but I could be wrong. I have high hopes for 11.9, unless of course AMD decides to pack in a whole bunch of new weird regressions.

      Performance is getting there. 5830 crossfire frame rates felt pretty close to an 8800GT and way faster than a 9500GT in the windows titles I briefly played with on a 3.6ghz i7, so we're talking about 1/4 of NV performance with wine 1.3 today. I'll definitely give ATI another shot in another 5 years.

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      • #18
        Resizing of windows got extremely sluggish again with Ubuntu 11.04. Has somebody experienced similar issues?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by RealNC View Post
          Probably something related to OpenCL.
          Hopefully both; hd8000 should enable significant enhancements to OpenCL.

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          • #20
            On my 5770 still the same extreme lag when scrolling chromium, and firefox maximized on my 1080p display in ubuntu 11.04. This is with tear free enabled, which really needs some performance improvements, at the very least when it comes to 2D rendering, which for non gamers is 99% of what they are using, and even gamers are probably using 2d rendering most of the time they are on there computer anyway.
            Anyone using chromium I found a workaround for the terrible scrolling lag I just described, type in about:flags into the address bar, and enable the the option: "GPU compositing on all pages". This works very well other than some very occasional very minor rendering mistakes that comes with it being an experimental feature of the browser (I'm using the dev build of chromium and it has the option, not sure how long its been there and what releases its in).

            Personally I went back to the free drivers using oibaf's ppa, which work perfectly for 95% of the tasks I ever do on this box......the experience is seriously so much less of a headeache than dealing with catalysts constantly changing issues. If dynamic power clocking worked right, there would really be no reason to ever go back to catalyst
            Last edited by chronniff; 08-24-2011, 02:37 AM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by chronniff View Post
              On my 5770 still the same extreme lag when scrolling chromium, and firefox maximized on my 1080p display in ubuntu 11.04. This is with tear free enabled, which really needs some performance improvements, at the very least when it comes to 2D rendering, which for non gamers is 99% of what they are using, and even gamers are probably using 2d rendering most of the time they are on there computer anyway.
              Anyone using chromium I found a workaround for the terrible scrolling lag I just described, type in about:flags into the address bar, and enable the the option: "GPU compositing on all pages". This works very well other than some very occasional very minor rendering mistakes that comes with it being an experimental feature of the browser (I'm using the dev build of chromium and it has the option, not sure how long its been there and what releases its in).

              Personally I went back to the free drivers using oibaf's ppa, which work perfectly for 95% of the tasks I ever do on this box......the experience is seriously so much less of a headeache than dealing with catalysts constantly changing issues. If dynamic power clocking worked right, there would really be no reason to ever go back to catalyst
              But you have disabled sync to vblank in Compiz have you?

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              • #22
                I'm in the same boat with my E-350 laptop

                Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                I didn't think we had a workstation (eg FirePro) product based on E-350 or any of the Fusion parts yet. Doesn't mean we don't want fglrx to work on your laptop, but it's when we say "workstation" we're talking about FirePro etc...

                I'm actually a bit surprised that suspend/resume is working with the open drivers. The feedback I had heard was more the other way round, that we had a known issue with the open drivers but that fglrx worked. Will ask around.

                I haven't had a chance to search through the unofficial bug tracker but if there isn't a similar ticket on there already it would be great if you could add one with system details. Suspend/resume is relatively more system specific than most functionality so a problem on your system may not mean the functionality is generally broken.

                One advantage that the open source drivers have had is that relatively more of the development has been done on real production systems (after launch) whereas most of the Catalyst work has to be completed well before production hardware is available. This advantage may go away a bit as we try to do the open source development work earlier and provide support closer to launch -- we'll need to figure out the best balance.
                I'm in the same boat with my E-350 Acer laptop. There is no suspend/resume with closed driver, but it works with open source driver. Unfortunately video is so bad with the open driver that I boot into Windows for any videos. I have logged the bug with Ubuntu (even though it is the same with all distro's - I have tried Mint, Mandriva, Fedora, etc), and have tried manually installing (and uninstalling) each version of Catalyst through 11.7. I even updated to latest bios. I will probably try 11.8, but I am not hopeful of it working. I have also tried all workarounds, including even the trick with debugging the sleep with the bios clock. Nothing. This will be my last laptop I buy without Linux preloaded!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by d2kx View Post
                  But you have disabled sync to vblank in Compiz have you?
                  yup, I also suspect alot of the problems are due to the version of compiz and unity that ships with ubuntu 11.04. On Previous releases catalyst worked just fine (well fine for catalyst).

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                  • #24
                    Even Linux Mint

                    Originally posted by chronniff View Post
                    yup, I also suspect alot of the problems are due to the version of compiz and unity that ships with ubuntu 11.04. On Previous releases catalyst worked just fine (well fine for catalyst).
                    FYI, I switched to Linux Mint 11, which doesn't use unity. Using the compiz tray icon I have compiz switched off (using metacity). Still no suspend and resume with Catalyst and E-350 APU.

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                    • #25
                      It looks like ATI/AMD drivers are still buggy no matter whether closed or open source. Really disappointing.

                      Looking at buying a $90-ish card but I don't think I can risk it with an ATI card. Regardless of what I get, I wouldn't be able to sell it to get my money back.

                      I guess things are worse with mobile-based cards in which you have to worry about power management and the suspend features.

                      But, two strikes against it, is uselessness for trying BSD and less performance if you ever need to use wine.

                      Also, it sounds like video is another area where Nvidia, unfortunately, excels. I want to choose the open source option but performance is important to me. When one is just a general computer user, you go with what works, right? :-/

                      Another area is all the desktop effects, compiz, flash use, fs/window, scrolling, tearing etc. etc. issues I read regarding ATI catalyst AND radeon drivers.

                      I know Nvidia has its share but I don't know which is the worse situation.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Panix View Post
                        It looks like ATI/AMD drivers are still buggy no matter whether closed or open source. Really disappointing.
                        do your own experiences.

                        i do not have any problem with the catalyst 11.8.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                          do your own experiences.

                          i do not have any problem with the catalyst 11.8.
                          I can't. 'don have one.

                          I'm referring to a few threads on here and some of the owners are saying what they are having problems with (video being one).

                          What works, specifically?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Panix View Post
                            I can't. 'don have one.

                            I'm referring to a few threads on here and some of the owners are saying what they are having problems with (video being one).

                            What works, specifically?
                            all i do works... i watch movies and i play games nativ and wine games.

                            if there is a real problem i truely start a theat here at phoronix

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                            • #29
                              sticking with 11.6 until the OpenCL bug is fixed.

                              to the folks bitching about suspend/resume: What suspend software are you using ? tuxonice or swsusp2 (or how is it called) ? I never had any luck with tuxonice and fglrx but swsusp2 worked without problems.

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                              • #30
                                I've got the same suspend errors

                                I've tried 11.7 and 11.8 with a e-350 APU and I have the same suspend issue. It's bearable but... I wish AMD would get this fixed *sigh* .

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