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  • #16
    Originally posted by expectATIon View Post
    Anyone tried it with Gnome Shell?
    It is still crappy...

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    • #17
      Originally posted by BenderRodriguez View Post
      Except that i can't say a bad word against fglrx driver, i don't know why it has such a bad reputation.
      Today I tested compiz 0.9.5. But mplayer with vaapi output locked the laptop completely.
      Code:
      [109185.311679] BUG: scheduling while atomic: mplayer/659/0x00000002
      I have no doubt it's because of fglrx'.

      Video acceration for h.264 high@L5 still doesn't work I heard.

      A friend of mine has a hd 5570 or something like that and not even xvideo works properly (gl2/X11 does).

      Tearing is horrible with out the anti tearing feature and when enabled the anti tearing feature produces "microlagg". Most people wouldn't care but I do.
      Also, they don't quite get rid of the frozen framebuffer when exiting a 3d fullscreen application when tearfree is enabled. It happens quite often that the last frame is stuck on the screen and you have to go to a tty and back to X to get refreshing images again.

      Games do work quite well, but especially in wine when comparing with nvidia, nvidia renders more smoothly. I cannot better describe it as this "microlagg" again.
      Also, this has been a long time around: http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=162

      HDMI output was broken with 11.6. I always had to connect a screen via VGA, start xrandr, disconnect it and connect the screen via HDMI and start xrandr again. That produced some error output but then HDMI output was finally usable. But sometimes then the mouse pointer could not get on the right screen so I had to move the screens with xrandr until it finally worked. I have yet to check whether it works better with 11.7.
      http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=177

      Also, they still can't run gnome shell, one of the biggest desktop environments around.

      That's only what immediately comes to my mind. I'm sure I'd get more if I thought a bit harder.

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      • #18
        So does this include support for people with an amd gfx card who have suffered purchasing a sandy bridge laptop and cant get descrete gfx and dedicated gfx working together?

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        • #19
          only llano laptops with a discrete card, i think

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          • #20
            Originally posted by BenderRodriguez View Post
            Except that i can't say a bad word against fglrx driver, i don't know why it has such a bad reputation.
            The following sums up my current problems with the drivers (on a 5770)
            1. Lower right corner mouse issue
            2. No support for gnome 3
            3. Performance in KDE is worse than the OSS drivers. I think it's reasonable to expect windows to minimize without lag on a modern graphics card.
            4. Tearing seems to be ever-present. Enabling tear-free desktop introduces microlag which makes watching movies pretty much unbearable.
            5. Hardware acceleration for videos is not hassle-free and only works half of the time
            6. Wine games lag.

            And generally, support for newer software/hardware takes a while. Basically their support for modern desktops is shoddy at best. Most of the problems have been around for a while and when I take a look the changes, I honestly question where priorities lie at AMD since issues like the right corner bug seems more prevalent than "mouse pointer positioning problems on rotated screens".

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            • #21
              Originally posted by rockmanz View Post
              The following sums up my current problems with the drivers (on a 5770)
              1. Lower right corner mouse issue
              Never had the issue myself, I do know of the unsupported card/driver logo, which is annoying. they should really just take it away. But, on Gentoo or using Kanos scripts I never even had that...

              2. No support for gnome 3
              The last time I tried Gnome Shell (on a nvidia laptop, using binary blob) it was not only slow, unusable, crashy, but confounded me. In general, the gnome people have been doing more changes in the last few years, that just alienates me. Not a single of my desktops I have deployed uses any form of gnome...

              3. Performance in KDE is worse than the OSS drivers. I think it's reasonable to expect windows to minimize without lag on a modern graphics card.
              Performance is slightly less smooth, yes. But not distractingly so for me.

              4. Tearing seems to be ever-present. Enabling tear-free desktop introduces microlag which makes watching movies pretty much unbearable.
              True, But I get tearing on my Nvidia blob systems, and recently on my Intel integrated systems too. I suspect that compositing managers and X are all doing it wrong, so there is no way to fix it until someone changes something drasticly.

              5. Hardware acceleration for videos is not hassle-free and only works half of the time
              Agreed, they had the chance to be first, and sat on it for 2 years, then released it in a series of incompatible versions, and a loose spec. It only works in VLC for me, and the H264.l5 issue is very annoying.

              6. Wine games lag.
              This is a Wine issue. They don't test on anything but the nvidia blob. The amount of nvidia-only features they use is astounding.

              In General, there isn't a satisfactory driver out there for Linux, right now.
              Always lacking in some form or another.
              At least the AMD and MESA drivers don't suffer from the "Can't disable VDPAU support in flash, so everytime a flash video plays it draws crap all over the screen, everywhere!"

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ChrisXY View Post
                Today I tested compiz 0.9.5. But mplayer with vaapi output locked the laptop completely.
                I was thinking of testing this out too.....Have they fixed the mipmap issues? Is there any performance improvements, I'm especially curious if unity is faster at all, because when I was using fglrx both 2d and 3d were much much slower on top of the compiz rewrite version in natty, but then again I don't know what u run as a desktop. A maximized browser couldn't even scroll without significant lag, which was actually what broke the camels back for me using fglrx
                Last edited by chronniff; 07-28-2011, 06:58 AM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by chronniff View Post
                  I was thinking of testing this out too.....Have they fixed the mipmap issues? Is there any performance improvements, I'm especially curious if unity is faster at all, because when I was using fglrx both 2d and 3d were much much slower on top of the compiz rewrite version in natty, but then again I don't know what u run as a desktop. A maximized browser couldn't even scroll without significant lag, which was actually what broke the camels back for me using fglrx
                  What were those mipmap issues?
                  Performance is good but my laptop is very powerful too: i5 480M, hd 6550, running xfce. Scrolling does work well - when it works.
                  There is often the problem that the displaying of windows gets stuck. Especially after using the window chooser with alt-tab every window's content display gets stuck, the task bar doesn't get updated etc. I don't know if it's fglrx' fault but I suspect so.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BenderRodriguez View Post
                    anyone had the lower right corner freezes ? Then you all know this damn thing makes it almost impossible to use for example a system tray in KDE...
                    In KDE? Nope, running openSUSE here, lower right corner behaving just fine.
                    Does anyone else than Ubuntu users have this?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by PsynoKhi0 View Post
                      In KDE? Nope, running openSUSE here, lower right corner behaving just fine.
                      Does anyone else than Ubuntu users have this?
                      i experience the same lower right corner issue on sabayon 6, so yeah.

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                      • #26
                        And this is the mid of the 2011... Holy ship!

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                        • #27
                          A8 APU Support!?

                          I'm using 11.6 from RPM Fusion (on Fedora 15) to run the graphics on my A8-3850 APU, but it says unsupported hardware. Though it works... ehh... well, it works without failing completely. I tried using the 11.7 driver straight from the AMD website earlier, and the unsupported hardware message goes away. However, their package apparently doesn't configure itself correctly (and I'm not sure what I have to do), since the compositing GNOME Shell refuses to run. I'll keep running 11.6 until the RPM Fusion folks do a version bump, even though there's some issues, such as that annoying, persistent emblem in the lower right corner of my screen that says "Unsupported hardware".

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                          • #28
                            You can use the /etc/ati/control file from the new ati-installer, just extract it and fetch it from there.

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                            • #29
                              i only see crappy www corruptions on some pages.
                              and 640x460 while booting and sometimes no logo while system is booting

                              anyone cal tell me how to fix it?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by NomadDemon View Post
                                and 640x460 while booting and sometimes no logo while system is booting
                                Catalyst doesn't handle the console. It's only for X11. For booting, you need to use a kernel framebuffer driver like VESAFB.

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