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  • #31
    Originally posted by Kivada View Post
    No... Theres actually no surprise at all in the Open Arena and World Of Padman results since they are so low quality they may as well be GLX Gears as far as the GPU is concerned. It's very apparent that they are CPU dependent at this point, the entire reason they are faster on the i3 is because of it's faster integer performance over the AMD K10.5 architecture.
    The Quake 3 engine has been known to be memory bandwidth limited for about 10 years now. Reviews of Llano show that to be a particular weakness, with faster RAM giving 50% speedups in benchmarks. So that's basically the worst case scenario for this hardware, and not representative of actual performance (which is why i always say that benchmarks that go over 100fps are of limited value - you start hitting performance bottlenecks that may never actually be hit in anything that matters - no one can see the difference between 300fps and 400fps).

    Nexuiz is actually using the shader hardware, which explains why the results there are completely different.
    Last edited by smitty3268; 06-18-2011, 05:20 PM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by renkin View Post
      Very nice

      Very... very nice.
      Depends on which part are you reading.
      E.g. "Intelís processor dips into a low power state more often. This mode-switching results in very similar power numbers. The Core i5-2520M averaged 12.8 watts during Web browsing, 17 watts during office tasks, and 19.4 watts in movie playback. In contrast, the A8-3500M averages 15.2 watts, 16.3 watts, and 19.5 watts, respectively."

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
        you just do the wrong cpu benchmark because only OLD ones... use a openCL CPU benchmark or use Pathscale-Enzo then the amd system wins every benchmark...

        just because AMD-Fusion is NOT build for winning old "intel" software the Fusion is build to Win OpenCL/Pathscale-Enzo benchmarks.
        Just curious, what OpenCL/Pathscale-Enzo software are you using yourself?

        For me, I'm using exactly zero OpenCL/Pathscale-Enzo apps. That's right, like most people I'm still using "old Intel" software. Benchmarks that leverage the GPU to do some traditional CPU tasks are irrelevant for most use cases, as most software is not designed to do so.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by bug77 View Post
          Depends on which part are you reading.
          E.g. "Intelís processor dips into a low power state more often."
          True, but that looks like something that perhaps AMD can 'fix' (or at least improve) with software/BIOS updates..

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          • #35
            I don't think so, the faster processor will do the same amount of work in less time, hence 'dips in to low power state' in longer time. For this instance, AMD's CPU is slower, so it have to spend more time in C0 state running code, that's where the inferior power savings come from. Single core performance is still the king.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by not.sure View Post
              True, but that looks like something that perhaps AMD can 'fix' (or at least improve) with software/BIOS updates..
              A lot of things could,eventually, sometime, perhaps happen. But I'm talking about what happens now.
              And look at those prices: http://www.techpowerup.com/146236/AM...g-Surface.html
              That's a lot of cash for a weaker CPU with a better GPU. And while a more powerful GPU is always desirable, the fact remains that intel's HD2000/3000 is still good enough for office work and web surfing. Llano's GPU will only cater to those that must game on a laptop. But only to those that are not very demanding of their games.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                And while a more powerful GPU is always desirable, the fact remains that intel's HD2000/3000 is still good enough for office work and web surfing.
                The sentence is still true if you replace "GPU" with "CPU" and "intel's HD2000/3000" with "AMD's Athlon/Phenom II".
                Really, what is it you think that Llano lacks for the usage cases at the platform's price point? It's a balanced architecture: it'll do everything well, instead of having both very strong points and trade-offs.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by PsynoKhi0 View Post
                  The sentence is still true if you replace "GPU" with "CPU" and "intel's HD2000/3000" with "AMD's Athlon/Phenom II".
                  Really, what is it you think that Llano lacks for the usage cases at the platform's price point? It's a balanced architecture: it'll do everything well, instead of having both very strong points and trade-offs.
                  The thing is, I don't see Llano as balanced. To me, it looks like a rather crappy CPU, with an ancient architecture, paired with an oversized GPU that still needs replacing if you're serious about graphics. It doesn't eat much less power than Sandy Bridge and doesn't cost significantly less.
                  If I still have to throw away the embedded GPU, I'd much rather it's a smaller one and I get to keep the more capable CPU. I do a lot of programming on my machine and when I have the time I also like to game at 1920x1200 with 16xAA and 16xAF.
                  I know other people will have different uses for their machine, but the target market of Llano still seems like a niche to me.
                  Brazos sold incredibly well, since it kicked Atom's butt. Bur Llano isn't beating anything.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by chithanh View Post
                    Also, Anandtech was heavily criticized for doing everything to make Llano look bad in their review. For example, they initially used DDR3-1333 memory and withheld DDR3-1866 results, until they were called out on it by their readers. Then they used low resolutions in some benchmarks (while even the mobile Llano is capable of running modern games at 1366x768).
                    This is true for almost every review I've seen, they pair up an i3 or i5 in the same price range, but with an Nvidia GPU, which prices it well above the A8. Intel DOES NOT want people seeing how pathetic their GPU is.

                    The A8-3850 performs extremely well when OCd a little:

                    http://forums.tweaktown.com/overcloc...p6160-igp.html

                    Cleaned up a little for spelling.
                    Originally posted by radeonfanboy of TweakTown
                    CPU: AMD APU A8-3850 @3.77GHz on aircooling
                    MB: Gigabyte A75M-UD2H
                    DDR3 OC 2320MHz
                    FSB: 145 MHz ( Stock is 100MHz, oc 45%)
                    iGPU: 870 MHz, (stock is 594 MHz)
                    Yeah yeah yeah, I may as well OC since I never use the stock heatsink, I always get a giant down blower like a Scythe Kabuto since its quieter and cools allot better then the copper based heatpipe heatsinks that AMD uses on their 140w CPUs.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                      I do a lot of programming on my machine and when I have the time I also like to game at 1920x1200 with 16xAA and 16xAF. I know other people will have different uses for their machine, but the target market of Llano still seems like a niche to me.
                      Let's just agree to disagree...

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by PsynoKhi0 View Post
                        Let's just agree to disagree...
                        Fair enough. I wasn't actually trying to convince anyone, I was just stating my point of view: Llano is not for me. I think not many people will buy it, but that's just my opinion.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                          I do a lot of programming on my machine and when I have the time I also like to game at 1920x1200 with 16xAA and 16xAF.
                          I know other people will have different uses for their machine, but the target market of Llano still seems like a niche to me.
                          Gamers targeting 1920x1200 with 16xAA and 16xAF are the niche here. Llano is targeted at laptops and budget desktop systems, not high end gaming or workstation machines.

                          I'm not buying Llano myself, but that doesn't mean it won't be successful in the market.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                            The thing is, I don't see Llano as balanced. To me, it looks like a rather crappy CPU, with an ancient architecture, paired with an oversized GPU that still needs replacing if you're serious about graphics. It doesn't eat much less power than Sandy Bridge and doesn't cost significantly less.
                            If I still have to throw away the embedded GPU, I'd much rather it's a smaller one and I get to keep the more capable CPU. I do a lot of programming on my machine and when I have the time I also like to game at 1920x1200 with 16xAA and 16xAF.
                            I know other people will have different uses for their machine, but the target market of Llano still seems like a niche to me.
                            Brazos sold incredibly well, since it kicked Atom's butt. Bur Llano isn't beating anything.
                            Yes, a niche as small as 90% of the consumer and business workstation market is much smaller then the droves of gamers with 2 or more $300 GPUs and $500 or more in CPU on a $200 mobo with a $200 PSU.

                            I'm a gamer as well, I'm just not dumb enough to think that we're a large enough market to matter, the only thing we're good for is the free advertising done on the forums or when your cousin asks what model Dell they should buy.

                            The HTPC and casual gamer market (Sims, WoWcrack, browser games) will suck these these right on up so long as the OEMs don't choke the life out of the GPU with DDR3 1066Mhz or worse 800Mhz. These things scream for at least 1.6Ghz+.

                            Is there a single HIB game that wont be completely playable on these?

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                            • #44
                              Phornix still refuse to inform it's readers that there is also VAAPI for xine in the work.

                              http://crystalhd.svn.sourceforge.net...lib-1.2-vaapi/

                              They got informed by mail and also an atempt to create a thread topic here was ignored.

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                              • #45
                                Actually I was thinking of getting one of these laptops to go back to school with. Applications like mathematica can use opencl along with many other engineering type applications.

                                This kind of laptop looks like it would be ideal for usage in class and being able to follow along with the kinds of simulations done in class very nicely since so much work could be offloaded to the gpu.

                                For stuff that required a lot more computation power I already have a desktop machine I would use for all the heavy lifting stuff. The llano just looks like a good laptop design for battery power and certain kinds of application loads.

                                I could buy a much more powerful laptop but that would also mean it was much heavier especially if it had much battery life and I want to avoid that. It would also make the laptop much more expensive. This looks like for $700 you could have a laptop to use in class and run apps like mathematica, mathcad without issues and still have it last more then long enough.

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