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  • #31
    curzondax, this is because the new OpenGL driver isn't integrated yet.

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    • #32
      I manage to install without any problem. So far everything works fine.

      Code:
      [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 555 MBytes.
      [fglrx] module loaded - fglrx 8.37.6 [May 25 2007] on minor 0
      ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:05.0[A] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
      [fglrx] total      GART = 130023424
      [fglrx] free       GART = 114032640
      [fglrx] max single GART = 114032640
      [fglrx] total      LFB  = 134217728
      [fglrx] free       LFB  = 120320000
      [fglrx] max single LFB  = 120320000
      [fglrx] total      Inv  = 0
      [fglrx] free       Inv  = 0
      [fglrx] max single Inv  = 0
      [fglrx] total      TIM  = 0
      $> uname -a
      Linux virgo 2.6.22-rc3 #2 Mon May 28 15:16:16 SGT 2007 i686 athlon-4 i386 GNU/Linux
      $> lspci | grep VGA
      01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE)
      Last edited by lenrek; 06-01-2007, 11:55 AM.

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      • #33
        Well, after reading the ATI / AMD press release disguised as an 'article' here on phoronix, several things become immediately obvious: forget about open drivers. Forget about any of the issues getting fixed. Forget about ATI actually ever supporting users. Forget about ATI ever testing and releasing working drivers, and taking responsibility for their drivers.

        To summarize, forget about ATI completely in the Linux kernel, it's over, if the free drivers don't cut it for you, expect a non stop stream of breaks, kernel and xorg failures, and whatever else the future brings.

        I can't believe that phoronix was suggesting that something of interest was about to be announced re AMD/ATI, what a joke, what we get is a weak rehash of nothing you couldn't figure out yourself by looking at ATI's junky driver releases.

        And that final comparison to nvidia drivers, someone here is drinking the happy juice, nvidia stuff works, they release when the driver is working and ready, after a beta release cycle to catch bugs, usually it doesn't even require a patch, or they release when they need to fix stuff for xorg or new kernel, it's released very quickly, and it works.

        I think phoronix is going a bit overboard to try to not offend their connections to ATI, this article was one of the most surreal fantasies I've read in a while. You really should have left that nvidia comparison off the end, you know that's not true, why did you write it? nvidia drivers are better in every way, they are released and usually work, their installer is better, they take responsibility for bugs to some degree at least, they continue to support legacy cards with active new driver releases, and so on. Just because ATI pushes out a bad product on a schedule doesn't make their process good, it makes it bad in fact, the mark of bad software is exactly this: not release when ready, after beta release to catch bugs, but release when the schedule says you should. No wonder ATI drivers suck, now it's totally clear, their process sucks, and obviously their management must be bad too to make such a typically pointy headed boss decision.

        Conclusion: if this is the AMD announcement, and if this is the best they can do, then AMD might as well write off all large scale corporate / organizational rollouts today, only an idiot IT guy would buy AMD / ATI if they're going to roll out Linux desktops.

        And regular users, be warned, this article clearly states: no changes, more of the same, bad testing will continue, bad methods will not be fixed, and nothing will be opened. So forget ATI if you have any sense at all.

        The VERY BEST we can now hope for, and I mean the very best, I don't expect it at all though, is for AMD/ATI to at least open their hardware specs so that free driver authors can work with fewer restrictions.

        I have been a loyal AMD fan for years, but this is a serious mistake on their part, and is going to end up losing them the Linux market goodwill they built up over the past years, unless, again, they come out with a bombshell and open their processes, their drivers, and their hardware specs.

        I feel so sorry for ATI card users who want to run Linux, what a pity, and how depressing. And phoronix should be ashamed of themselves for printing such utter nonsense, I hope they at least paid you for the advertising space...

        AMD is now making the exact mistake Sun Microsystems made a few years ago, failing to adapt to new models, pursuing strategies that worked years ago, but which are not nearly as effective today. And they can expect to experience the same thing Sun did, until they learn their lesson, drops in share prices, marketshare, and failure to expand their market. However, Sun shows the way, you can change as a company, but it takes determination and the willingness to take risks. ATI is clearly hopeless and will not change until AMD forces change, and AMD will only force this change when they lose enough market share and their stock price drops enough to make taking the chance to lead worth it.
        Last edited by gfxdrone; 06-01-2007, 01:45 PM.

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        • #34
          Debian/sid: had to install xserver-xorg-core 1.3.0.0-6 from the Incoming folder first for depency reasons, only started with aticonfig doing the Xorg configuration (my own only got me a black screen). Then it hangs on VT console change (was fixed for me in 8.36.5).

          Wanted to try the new Fedora 7, but it doesn't work.

          Excellent.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by gfxdrone View Post
            Well, after reading the ATI / AMD press release disguised as an 'article' here on phoronix, several things become immediately obvious: forget about open drivers. Forget about any of the issues getting fixed. Forget about ATI actually ever supporting users. Forget about ATI ever testing and releasing working drivers, and taking responsibility for their drivers...
            Anger won't solve the problem. But hey, I am stuck with this laptop, and I know I have no choice (at the moment). If this is a desktop, I would have throw away this ATI card long time ago. Perhaps from ATI perspective, maybe they think we should be grateful that we are actually getting some support them.

            I am using this laptop for more than 1 and half year now. Everytime there is a release, I was hoping for something new, something that can give me those fancy stuff I have been seeing (Composite, AIGLX, ...), and searching the net for more info, which finally led me to this forum. After reading stuff around here, I know, I should kiss my hope good bye and just be realitic. If ATI can give me stable driver, I am happy.

            However, am I content with this situation?

            Well, I can only say, if, by the time, I can getting my new laptop and the situation still remains the same, then I will be kissing ATI good bye as well...

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            • #36
              The one bright spot is that the experimental ati xorg drivers are working very well on older hardware. I really think that ATI should just admit their incompetence and stop even trying, just open the specs up and let Linux hackers do it, I'm running experimental xorg ati drivers and they are great on old hardware, the stuff works. That's the hardware ATI doesn't even have a driver for anymore. I don't know what's wrong in the ATI corporation, and I don't know why Phoronix is pretending that what is wrong is just fine, but it's not to Phoronixes credit to publish this kind of blatant pandering to ATI, it's pathetic to see a website do this, it reminds me of MS fanboy sites reviewing Vista.

              It's clear that volunteer hackers are in fact doing better work with fewer resources than ATI, so why doesn't ati just admit that they can't do this work, for whatever reason, and stop pretending? Then open the specs and let some real programmers start working on it.

              My anger is caused by two things: one, phoronixes pandering to ATI, down to printing blatantly false statements about nVidia versus ATI Linux drivers, and two: the continuing mess in their driver process, and the pathetic support ATI is providing its Linux users. I guess I really am going to give up now on this situation ever improving.
              Last edited by gfxdrone; 06-01-2007, 04:40 PM.

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              • #37
                yeah i get that impression too. every shortcoming in the driver is countered by "however" statement followed by some phony reasons why ati users shouldn't worry.

                i got used to it already. it's like watching commercials on tv - you just don't notice them anymore.

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                • #38
                  8.37 doesn't work at all for me with mobility x600, on debian/unstable. startx switches from textmode, screen goes blank for a short while (as it usually does), then all I get is some faint green vertical lines and everything is locking up. Only option is alt+sysrq+s,u,b to do a half-clean reboot.

                  Downgrading xserver-xorg-core to the pre-1.3 version, and installing 8.36, everything works as before. (still I get screen corruption on the lower right corner at times, occasional mouse pointer corruption, only opengl for the first 2048 horizontal pixels, no aiglx, 50% chance of lockup when switching VT.).

                  ATI drivers on linux are hell, and the press releases about getting better are plain lies. Avoid ATI cards at all costs if you plan to run Linux.

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                  • #39
                    This phoronix press release was a SERIOUS mistake on AMD's part, and on Phoronixes. AMD had to announce something of substance, something real, and instead they just tricked phoronix into printing a stupid corporate PR piece. That is a VERY bad sign in my opinion, it suggests that the problems at ATI may go higher up than I had thought, possibly into AMD itself.

                    If I were phoronix, I'd think very carefully about being used in this way again, at least if Phoronix wants to maintain any credibility. And I'd definitely not print the article without serious critical commentary, like pointing out what nonsense it is in almost every respect.
                    Last edited by gfxdrone; 06-01-2007, 04:58 PM.

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                    • #40
                      I'm not even going to try the new drivers. Its basically all the same with fglrx. When ATI/AMD releases their hopefully better OpenGL-Driver, I'll give it a shot, as long as it happens this year. As soon as UT3/Quake Wars gets released, I'm planning on building a new machine, that'll be as linux-compatible as possible. If ATI/AMD didn't improve anything until then, ATI-graphics are dead for me.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by d2kx View Post
                        curzondax, this is because the new OpenGL driver isn't integrated yet.
                        wait, what? where is that info? any approximate dates on it?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Huenengrab View Post
                          I'm not even going to try the new drivers. Its basically all the same with fglrx. When ATI/AMD releases their hopefully better OpenGL-Driver, I'll give it a shot, as long as it happens this year. As soon as UT3/Quake Wars gets released, I'm planning on building a new machine, that'll be as linux-compatible as possible. If ATI/AMD didn't improve anything until then, ATI-graphics are dead for me.
                          Why the "if"? ATI/AMD has proven themselves to be completely untrustworthy for anything related to Linux. Save yourself the trouble and buy nvidia (or maybe intel if what they come up with is fast enough), even if ATI magically fixes their driver problems.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Michael View Post
                            The AMD/ATI fglrx 8.37.6 driver is now available... It contains X server 1.3 naming fix, AMDCCCLE v1.0 (adds translations and the 3D page), RHEL5 support, and some random fixes.

                            https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206...ux_8.37.6.html



                            http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=10069


                            FEDORA USERS, READ THIS
                            Okay, here's the scoop on Fedora 7. WIth AMD fixing the X 1.3 problem, the drivers will build. However, when you install the RPMs for Fedora 7, aticonfig will crash and will remove your xorg.conf (though the original is renamed). If you manually update your xorg.conf and then restart X, fglrx will fail to load and you'll find a backtrace in your Xorg.0.log. So if you need the fglrx drivers to survive, don't upgrade to Fedora 7 just yet. Stay tuned to the forums for more information. This issue with 8.37 should not cause problems with Fedora Core 6 or previous versions.
                            This is indeed bad news for the F7 adopters with ATI cards who who want 3D. Looks like they have to settle for the open source driver.

                            Michael, I posted your statement above to the FedoraForum.

                            Partha
                            www.partha.com

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                            • #44
                              You're completely right gfxdrone.ATI or AMD had enough time,don't care for merging.It's their tradition,lousy linux support.They already had their punch with detonators and this wake them up from dreams for making catalyst drivers.First of all, I don't even like name of drivers "frgl" (it reminds me of fireGL and Quadro line).Second, on their driver page, on linux driver's, Radeon X1950 (pro)is not listed, unlike on Windows tm's driver page.Again no AIGLX and,yes Michael no Xorg 7.2 support
                              50.9MB 8.37.6 May 31, 2007 Automated installer and Display Drivers for XFree86 4.3 and X.Org 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 7.0, 7.1
                              .I already try it.I will install FC7.Now I will sell my X1950pro and buy some nVIDIA instead (it seems now,no use of my 975XBX2 crossfire support ),maybe some 7100,7200 or something turbocache(no hypermemory warp speed) crap.At least I will have AIGLX and 3D support.I can run beryl on my noFX5200(Dawn)-64 MB card.So what is use of my powerful RV570? Only on XP,Vista? No thanks.Maybe improvement around folding@home, nice job ATi or maybe AMD, M$ is proud of you.
                              And by the way nVIDIA drivers are some 13 MB's comparing to whoping 50 ATI's.So what's the problem CLI kind of driving.No problem for me.

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                              • #45
                                I'm seeing much higher temps at times with 8.37 than with Feisty's stock 8.34 on my T60. Is anyone else seeing symptoms like that?

                                Temperature occasionally jumps up 15 degrees for no apparent reason which makes the fans go crazy, then slowly goes down.

                                See also http://www.phoronix.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2890 which I eventually solved by going back to stock Ubuntu drivers...

                                The following is the output of the thinkpad fan control script. The fourth integer in the bracketed list gives GPU temperature, which jumps up at times for no reason (see the 3rd line, fan didnt run at all before, then it jumps up 11 degrees which make it run full speed):

                                L=0->0 EC=00 RPM= 0 T=(48 34 35 61 30 _ 28 _ , 35 46 45 , _ ) Z=0+00000_0_,000,_
                                L=0->0 EC=00 RPM= 0 T=(48 34 34 61 30 _ 28 _ , 35 46 45 , _ ) Z=0+00000_0_,000,_
                                L=0->7 EC=00 RPM= 0 T=(48 34 35 70 30 _ 28 _ , 36 46 45 , _ ) Z=0+00060_0_,000,_
                                > Changing fan level: 0->7 (temps: 48 34 35 70 30 _ 28 _ , 36 46 45 , _ )
                                L=7->7 EC=07 RPM=2561 T=(48 34 35 69 30 _ 28 _ , 36 46 45 , _ ) Z=6+00060_0_,000,_
                                L=7->7 EC=07 RPM=2561 T=(48 34 35 71 30 _ 28 _ , 36 46 45 , _ ) Z=6+00060_0_,000,_
                                L=7->7 EC=07 RPM=2561 T=(48 34 35 74 30 _ 28 _ , 36 46 45 , _ ) Z=6+00060_0_,000,_
                                L=7->7 EC=07 RPM=4287 T=(48 34 35 72 30 _ 28 _ , 35 46 45 , _ ) Z=6+00060_0_,000,_
                                L=7->7 EC=07 RPM=3916 T=(48 34 35 72 30 _ 28 _ , 35 46 45 , _ ) Z=6+00060_0_,000,_
                                L=7->7 EC=07 RPM=3916 T=(48 34 35 71 30 _ 28 _ , 35 46 45 , _ ) Z=6+00060_0_,000,_
                                L=7->7 EC=07 RPM=3967 T=(47 34 35 71 30 _ 28 _ , 35 46 45 , _ ) Z=6+00060_0_,000,_
                                L=7->7 EC=07 RPM=3967 T=(47 34 35 70 30 _ 28 _ , 35 46 45 , _ ) Z=6+00060_0_,000,_
                                L=7->7 EC=07 RPM=3967 T=(47 34 35 71 30 _ 28 _ , 35 46 45 , _ ) Z=6+00060_0_,000,_
                                L=7->4 EC=07 RPM=3980 T=(47 33 35 64 30 _ 28 _ , 35 46 45 , _ ) Z=4+00020_0_,000,_
                                Last edited by bimbo; 06-02-2007, 05:00 AM.

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