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  • Will The Catalyst Driver Work On Ubuntu 11.04 At Launch?

    Phoronix: Will The Catalyst Driver Work On Ubuntu 11.04 At Launch?

    For the past few years there's been a tradition where AMD supplies Canonical with an early snapshot of their very latest Catalyst driver prior to the next Ubuntu release. This hasn't been done to ensure Ubuntu ships with any magical graphics driver features (in some cases though it can provide a glimpse of what's to come), but rather is provided so that there is actually a Catalyst driver that works on the given Ubuntu Linux release. There's an unfortunate tradition where by the time the next Ubuntu release rolls out that the latest publicly available Catalyst driver does not support either the latest Linux kernel and/or the X.Org Server used by that release. The Catalyst snapshot provides that belated support...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=OTAzNw

  • #2
    As always there will be special ATI driver that works "most of the time".And that means headaches for me as a Blender Artist and a programmer.That means i will probably miss my deadline for my end of semester work that I have to present to my professor,luckily most of my tools are CAD or Xilinx type programs which are annoying in there own way.Anyone who has used Xilinx knows this. But good luck to OSS team and Ati proprietary team for this extra work to make my life a little bit better every month.

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    • #3
      What?

      >> Will The Catalyst Driver Work On Ubuntu 11.04 At Launch?

      It's January. Natty is still in Alpha 1. Is there any point in wondering about this right now, or is this false drama that will be long dead come three months from now?

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      • #4
        I think you mean Catalyst 11.2 and 11.3
        I know you're an extremely busy workaholic, but you should read over your article before you post it.

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        • #5
          AMD could you please at least support the kernel and Xorg in Fedora. Ubuntu is cool and all, but it'd be nice if you didn't exclude everyone who uses Fedora and other systems with slightly newer kernels and X servers. Nvidia does this with no problem.
          Also please stop waiting until the last minute to even support the ancient components in Ubuntu.
          Thanks.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pvtcupcakes View Post
            AMD could you please at least support the kernel and Xorg in Fedora. Ubuntu is cool and all, but it'd be nice if you didn't exclude everyone who uses Fedora and other systems with slightly newer kernels and X servers.
            Red Hat said Ferora is not a priority and its well known that AMD Support Distributions and not single components.

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            • #7
              When i read nvnews forum correctly then not only ati needs to update the drivers. Even the latest 270.18 with xserver 1.10 support in the changelog seems to need still abi overrides. But when U gets a new driver again they should publish the run installer too - at least as hotfix driver. Of course the rest of the Linux world could fetch the orig.tar.gz file, but that has not the original layout of the installer. This way it is really bad to write a generic script to install the latest driver - you would need to fetch 2 drivers to get all needed data and combine those - basically a stupid effort when there IS a run installer...

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              • #8
                Huh?

                Originally posted by Nille View Post
                Red Hat said Ferora is not a priority and its well known that AMD Support Distributions and not single components.
                What do Red Hat's priorities have to do with what distros AMD decides to support?

                The fact is, supporting Fedora means you're also supporting the vast majority of Linux distros, even if it isn't official. The same can't always be said of just supporting Ubuntu.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
                  What do Red Hat's priorities have to do with what distros AMD decides to support?
                  On the contrary, Red Hat is one of the officially supported distros, so it has everything to do with what AMD decides to support.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                    On the contrary, Red Hat is one of the officially supported distros, so it has everything to do with what AMD decides to support.
                    Sorry, i still don't get it. Does Red Hat give AMD orders on what to support? Is it not their decision?

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                    • #11
                      Whats the point of using fedora and using a binary blob, fedora has some disadvantages, crappy default themes (not that big deal) and also crappy package management tool (big deal ;=) ), but they have one advantages, to support of good new X technologies often developed by them self and good opensource technolegies like plymoth etc. This stuff usualy donīt work very well with closed source drivers (at least not with the amd blob) so whats the point of using fedora + amd blob?

                      I think in 6months or 12 months this question is even less important, because the free driver gets fast much better right now. if the magic gpu video speedup is in it, only some commercial games will not run fast enough but even there are right now big steppes in the making. So use the free drivers, if you are really wanted to use the blob in long term, why did you buy amd card in the first place?

                      sorry for the much mistake, but I am a lit tired right now.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kUrb1a View Post
                        Sorry, i still don't get it. Does Red Hat give AMD orders on what to support? Is it not their decision?

                        No. Like Nvidia, ATI only really cares about people on Linux that provide the most profits... which is to say professional workstation types using Linux for scientific visualization, 3D movie editing, blah blah blah. Those people use Redhat. For most of them they require support contracts and hardware support and if you want that then your going to be using Redhat as Redhat has the industry support channels and partnerships established with a lot of hardware/software vendors. This is why Redhat continues to make money.

                        That is also the only reason you have proprietary drivers in the first place. If it was not for those markets preferring Linux over Windows then you would get nothing. They'll continue to support consumer hardware because that gives them a useful debugging tool. They can't expect just to target Redhat and get a reliable product. Fedora and Ubuntu represent essentially development versions of Redhat.

                        To put it another way... they'll get around making it work for you in Ubuntu, but only until after they get more important things done. Everybody works for a living, everybody has to eat and most have families to take care off... etc etc etc. Be happy that Linux is profitable for them to provide some support.

                        Also this is why OSS drivers are important. They simply enable people to get hardware to work/work better even when there is no significant/direct financial benefit for ATI. It helps break some of the dependency on AMD itself, which is a good thing for everybody involved.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                          fedora has some disadvantages, crappy default themes (not that big deal) and also crappy package management tool (big deal ;=) )
                          What's wrong with Fedora's package management tool?

                          Originally posted by 3vi1
                          ...or is this false drama that will be long dead come three months from now?
                          This is false drama that will be long dead come three months from now.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Phoronix
                            Will The Catalyst Driver Work On Ubuntu 11.04 At Launch?
                            Yes.

                            /thread

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by devius View Post
                              What's wrong with Fedora's package management tool?
                              I think thats the major problems:

                              .rpm is distro-agnostic. It doesn't rely on package naming conventions for dependency resolution, it's file based.
                              that causes much problems. You maybe get somewhere a rpm, install it it says all dependecies are there, then it does not work anyway and you have no clew why. In debian/derevats, you have from your distribution very good quality debs with hard accurate dependencies, and they have the goal to give their users all whats out there at least the importent stuff. And that makes sence because the same people who updates the depencies can also recompile and give you the stuff that depends on it. That seems to produce higher quality packages.

                              So the package dependency system is better because you can not mix incompatible packages that depend on each other.

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