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  • Originally posted by Gps4l View Post
    Some people in this thread really get on my nerves.

    When somebody has at least for some part a valid complained, he is told to go get windows.
    No, you're only told to use Windows if you complain about running windows games.

    Firefox problems are a legitimate complaint (for fglrx), as is tearing (on fglrx). Nobody told anyone to use windows because of those.

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    • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
      No, you're only told to use Windows if you complain about running windows games.

      Firefox problems are a legitimate complaint (for fglrx), as is tearing (on fglrx). Nobody told anyone to use windows because of those.
      Finally, the voice of reason!

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      • Originally posted by Mr James View Post
        The 10.12 driver is exactly the same for me as every previous release - just double the download size. I am not "seeing" the extra size do anything...
        Just to make sure all bases are covered and it's actually the driver, it is using fglrx, right? What does glxinfo say? (Does AMD still use fgl_glxinfo or whatever it was called?)

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        • Originally posted by Wyatt View Post
          Just to make sure all bases are covered and it's actually the driver, it is using fglrx, right? What does glxinfo say? (Does AMD still use fgl_glxinfo or whatever it was called?)
          fglrxinfo

          /

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          • Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
            What drivers are you using? Upgrade to fglrx 10.12, it's quite a bit better all around.
            I will, but when I went to the AMD site yesterday, and selected 64 bit Linux, it showed me the 10.11 driver.

            There was some good news too, after a kernel update, I had not have to re install the ati drivers.

            With nvidia, I always had to re install the nvidia drivers after a kernel update.


            But the firefox problem really pisses me off.

            We cant expect AMD and opesuse to test every program there is, but damn, firefox, which has a native linux vesion, should just work.

            I will not whine about wine, but I have two games here I want to run on wine. ( they do not run on win7 32 bit )
            Both Direct X 9 games, so I am optimistic.

            I don't care about the size of the driver. But that might be because I am lucky to live in the Netherlands.
            There is a strong competition overhere, between the telephone companies ADSL, and the cable companies. ( because 95 % of the dutch can choose if they want internet from the cable or the telephone company.

            Now I have for 45 euro's a month, Internet, telephone and TV.
            Internet 1.5 MB up and 25 MB down.

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            • I got a lousy 3 gigabyte per month limit 3G mobile broadband for a ridiculously expensive price. Can't get ADSL in the country I reside in currently...

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              • Originally posted by Mr James View Post
                I got a lousy 3 gigabyte per month limit 3G mobile broadband for a ridiculously expensive price. Can't get ADSL in the country I reside in currently...
                I realize I am lucky. It's an advantage of a small tight populated country.

                Because of the competition, all (not for telephones) internet subscription are flat rate.

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                • Originally posted by Panix View Post
                  ..If I feel the support/resources/money seems low for what you get, then why can't one criticize that? Is AMD not a big company?..
                  So true. Just 4 Developers for VGA driver. I recall making drivers are something that difficult, is it not? And VGA driver among the hardest one to write (program).

                  Sigh. I want to enjoy near perfect linux-AMD-open-source-driver ASAP.

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                  • For clarity, there are 10-30 developers working on the open source driver at any given time, although the core group is probably 5-6 FTEs.

                    Most of those developers do not work for AMD but that doesn't make their work any less valuable.

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                    • Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                      For clarity, there are 10-30 developers working on the open source driver at any given time, although the core group is probably 5-6 FTEs.

                      Most of those developers do not work for AMD but that doesn't make their work any less valuable.
                      Well Amd has still got my sympathy.

                      Even if it were only 4 people, that's still 4 more then nvidia.

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                      • Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                        Ati does not develop the OSS drivers themselves. They never did, they never said they will do, they don't actually *need* to do this. All they said is that they will release specs for the community to peruse at its leisure.

                        The fact that they are hiring people is indeed a big deal.
                        If they add, say, 4 more developer, they (AMD) won't bankrupt, right? And then they'll have many advantage with it. Think that's worth it. Dunno how the way they think

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                        • Originally posted by Mr James View Post
                          I got a lousy 3 gigabyte per month limit 3G mobile broadband for a ridiculously expensive price. Can't get ADSL in the country I reside in currently...
                          With slow dog connection, right? Hm....ndonesia??

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                          • Originally posted by t.s. View Post
                            If they add, say, 4 more developer, they (AMD) won't bankrupt, right? And then they'll have many advantage with it. Think that's worth it. Dunno how the way they think
                            They could add 20 more developers and people would still complain. So why waste the money?
                            Unfortunately it's also the case of that sometimes, too many developers can be a bad thing - sometimes you need a small core group to bring cohesion to the project until it's in a more suitable state.
                            Then, of course, you need people who know what they're doing as well - but I'm not sure that's such a big problem for them.

                            Not saying any of that does or does not apply to AMD's open source drivers, just wanted to illustrate that it's not always as easy as throwing developers at the problem.

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                            • I'm a current nvidia user(an old yet quite a capable geforce 7600 card) and I never had problems with it. But it's time to upgrade now, and I'm considering AMD too, because I have AMD CPU and I had an ATI card long ago, prior to switching to linux.

                              I'm choosing between newly released Geforce GTX 570 and Radeon HD 6950. Both have their pros and cons. according to the reviews nvidia's gpu has more potential since it has a better geometry block, while AMD has a good performance in today's games and is cheaper and also will match my CPU. The thing is though that when it comes to linux, with NVIDIA I'm qute sure about drivers quality(I also use NVIDIA at work on my linux workstation, 3D is nice and slick), I get this newly released gpu accelerated flash videos, opengl performance is proven to be very good. When it comes to AMD, I hear about problems, in fact I already experienced some on my Radeon HD 4290 - which is integrated to my motherboard.
                              Then there is this games-on-wine issue. I don't agree with what people say here, that it's a too stretched goal, the programs that are designed to run on Windows shouldn't necesserily work smoothly on linux. From what I understand with Wine all DirectX is translated to OpenGL, and because of nature of such translation, it can be quite rigorous - which as a result exposes bugs in a driver. I don't blame anyone for bugs, as I am a programmer myself and I know what it is like, but let's not deny them at least.

                              So what would you advice me towards the choice on my next GPU? AMD appeals to me a lot with their politics(giving specs to the opensource developers, supporting open standards like OpenCL etc) while the situation on linux kinda puts me off. I am certainly ok with the fact that it isn't all working right now, but the overall situation is improving. But of course I have no desire to wait and fight with bugs for years until my GPU gets obsolete...

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                              • Originally posted by eldar View Post
                                So what would you advice me towards the choice on my next GPU?
                                an amd one.

                                the most interesting think for linux is the radeon OS linux driver.
                                but the 6970 is really new and a new gpu architecture.
                                the 6870 is the old architecture and no OS driver yet.
                                amd fusion/hd5870 is fine right now i think the 6870 support comes next month and the 6970 support needs more than 3months.

                                why not buy an amd card with OS driver support right now without waiting ?


                                the 5870 do have a price drop in germany 220 now.

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